Originally Posted by eublues:
Even if Cameron is eurosceptic, to make any change to the status quo of UK in the EU, he would have to get very heavy with the EU - the consequences of that would have to be being willing to pull out - he simply would/could not do that. So the whole thing is bogus.

Given the years and years of Britain slowing down the process of EU integration and not being kicked out. For whatever reason the EU must need Britain more than Britain needs the EU.

I can only speculate but my thoughts are that as the city of London is basically the financial center of the world and that a Europe with out London is like an America with no Wall street.
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Originally Posted by bdf4bnp:
Don't fall for it. They are just playing on the current conditions. When in power, they will revert to type and impose more EU on our once proud nation.

Precisely. The CONServative Party is as much a nest of anti-British vipers as Labour and Lib Dims. Their 'skil' is that they have a lying press on their side to make the gulliable amongst the electorate think they are patriots when they are anything but. Remember it was a Tory PM (Edward Heath) who deliberately LIED to the British people about the implications of the so-called 'Common Market' and put us into it WITHOUT a referendum (please spare me the HYPOCRISY of them bleating about Labour's refusal of a referendum re the Lisbon Treaty). Not content with Heath's treason, so-called 'Eurosceptic' Margaret Thatcher signed us up to the Single European Act (again without a referendum) and that useless cretin John Major made even the Queen (and the rest of us) into European 'citizens' with his signing of the Maastrict Treaty.


The CONS are merely trading on oppostion to Labour with regard to the Lisbon Treaty. That is how cynical they are.


The CONS will never take us out of the EU as that would involve admitting they have lied on a continual basis to us since the early 1970's.
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Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov:
What evidence is there to support that position? If the entire party was heavily eurosceptic Cameron could not make it europhile even if he wanted to. My eurosceptic MP supported him as he was running to be elected so he can't be that much of a traitor.

Is Cameron going to renegociate Britain's relationship with the EU?. Any serious renegociation would involve a Tory government being willing to pull Britain out as a means of getting some leverage with the other leaders. I see no evidence Cameron is willing to do that.
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Originally Posted by Independence Now!:
Is Cameron going to renegociate Britain's relationship with the EU?. Any serious renegociation would involve a Tory government being willing to pull Britain out as a means of getting some leverage with the other leaders. I see no evidence Cameron is willing to do that.

This is something they will not do.

The view that being in Europe not ruled by it, is one i'd be more than happy with were it not for the EU elite and they're vision of a European super state.

A conservative party will slow the process down but the masters in the EU will keep taking little pieces of the pie one by one by the use of economic bullying and manipulation of world events until theirs so little left the treaty will be brought into effect with out ever having been signed as one individual document.
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How any party that aspires to governing this country can come-out with such an obvious oxymoron as 'in Europe but not run by it' frankly worries me! The EU will very soon have this country completely tied-up in knots and as usual the CONS will bleat 'there it nothing we can do about it. It is too late!'
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Originally Posted by Independence Now!:
How any party that aspires to governing this country can come-out with such an obvious oxymoron as 'in Europe but not run by it' frankly worries me! The EU will very soon have this country completely tied-up in knots and as usual the CONS will bleat 'there it nothing we can do about it. It is too late!'

Maybe then people will start seeing that UKIP really does have a point :-)
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Originally Posted by UkipHM:
Maybe then people will start seeing that UKIP really does have a point :-)

More like, none so blind as those who won't see!
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Originally Posted by eublues:
Even if Cameron is eurosceptic, to make any change to the status quo of UK in the EU, he would have to get very heavy with the EU - the consequences of that would have to be being willing to pull out - he simply would/could not do that. So the whole thing is bogus.

It's strange times we live in and a fact for you to chew on is concerning Stuart Wheeler. He is known for his record breaking £5 million donation to the Conservatives, he is worth £40 million but if you think about it that is still a lot of cash. I mean would you give over 10% of your wealth in a single party donation?

Now naturally such a donation is likely to have strings attached, even if they are not visible ones. He was on record the other day as saying the government needs to pursue radical reform of the EU with the threat of withdrawal as the card to play in negotiations. That makes a lot of sense to me and Cameron is gradually coming round to this position. All but the threat of withdrawal appears to be the current 'unified' position.
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Originally Posted by UkipHM:
Maybe then people will start seeing that UKIP really does have a point :-)

And the BNP does as well seeing as the BNP is just as committed to removing Britain from the EU and restoring our national sovereignty as UKIP is.
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Originally Posted by Independence Now!:
And the BNP does as well seeing as the BNP is just as committed to removing Britain from the EU and restoring our national sovereignty as UKIP is.

Indeed. But the BNP seeks to discriminate on grounds of race so I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
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