The word discriminate can be used in place of the word choice. Is it right that a parent loves his/her own child/children more than the offspring of other parents? I think it is and it is the same with nations.
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Originally Posted by Independence Now!:
The word discriminate can be used in place of the word choice. Is it right that a parent loves his/her own child/children more than the offspring of other parents? I think it is and it is the same with nations.

I think you can still be a "child" of Britain even if you are black or dark brown or whatever. You don't choose your skin colour, you choose your actions and the course of your life. Thus it is unfair to discriminate by race and your "parent and child" analogy is flawed. A child does not choose who its parents are, does it?
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Originally Posted by UkipHM:
A child does not choose who its parents are, does it?

If you believe in reincarnation, then you will know the answer to your question when you die!
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If Cameron wants a strong negotiating hand he needs to hold a post ratification referendum [assuming the answer was NO], which is also necessary to maintain a consistent policy line.

Such a referendum result would give him great scope for re-negotiation.
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Originally Posted by Millennium3:
If Cameron wants a strong negotiating hand he needs to hold a post ratification referendum [assuming the answer was NO], which is also necessary to maintain a consistent policy line.

Such a referendum result would give him great scope for re-negotiation.

I agree 100%
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Originally Posted by kernow:
I agree 100%

I don't think he is offering do it because it would remove, from him, most other choices. Can't have his government doing what the people want and his backers don't want!
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Cameron is definitely moving in the right direction on the EU. To be honest the thing that worries me most about him currently is his adherence to green propaganda. He's smart enough to see what the greens are up to and so it makes no sense. You see if he is illogical on this then he might just renege on the EU business when in power. Too many times have I seen this sort of thing. Someone makes out they are the perfect person to support but for one or two niggling things that you can't quite resolve in your mind. They nearly always turn out to be bad, just like Blair made out he was Mr Wonderful prior to 97. You might have even believed it but for a few things that didn't quite add up.

Cameron still has that impression for a lot of people and each time he goes on about it the polls take a hit. Not content with his past record I notice recently he wants to pass the information on how much you are paying for your energy bills on to your neighbours. This seems straight out of the Book of Fabian attack strategies. I still can't resolve it and will not feel comfortable until he denounces the greens as a new form of socialism or else we will have to recognise him as one of these socialist EU loving people.
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Originally Posted by UkipHM:
I think you can still be a "child" of Britain even if you are black or dark brown or whatever. You don't choose your skin colour, you choose your actions and the course of your life. Thus it is unfair to discriminate by race and your "parent and child" analogy is flawed. A child does not choose who its parents are, does it?

So who can't be a child of Britain in your view? Does your definition of who is a Briton and who isn't extend to the people of Japan for instance? Why not just include the whole globe?


I don't approve of discrimination. What I do approve of is a British government protecting Britain's identity and not trashing it as Labour and CONServative governments do. Do you think a parent loves other parents' children as much as their own? OK, they don't hate them but it is unlikely they would love them as much as their own children. After all, blood is thicker than water!
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Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov:
Cameron is definitely moving in the right direction on the EU. To be honest the thing that worries me most about him currently is his adherence to green propaganda. He's smart enough to see what the greens are up to and so it makes no sense. You see if he is illogical on this then he might just renege on the EU business when in power. Too many times have I seen this sort of thing. Someone makes out they are the perfect person to support but for one or two niggling things that you can't quite resolve in your mind. They nearly always turn out to be bad, just like Blair made out he was Mr Wonderful prior to 97. You might have even believed it but for a few things that didn't quite add up.

Cameron still has that impression for a lot of people and each time he goes on about it the polls take a hit. Not content with his past record I notice recently he wants to pass the information on how much you are paying for your energy bills on to your neighbours. This seems straight out of the Book of Fabian attack strategies. I still can't resolve it and will not feel comfortable until he denounces the greens as a new form of socialism or else we will have to recognise him as one of these socialist EU loving people.

Where is the evidence that Cameron is anything more than a 'Eurosceptic' in any way other than rhetoric? His policy is that Britain stays in the EU regardless of the damage it is causing our country.
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Presumably a major objective of UKIP in the next 2 years is to expose the phoney euroscepticism of those controlling the Tory party. As has been said, there is no evidence that the Tories will do anything about the EU takeover.
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