BBC NEWS | Politics | Cameron's Britain: Euro-doubts
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The vast majority of those on the Conservative benches now range from being suspicious of the European Union to downright hostility.

David Cameron and the conservative party (who i'm no real fan of) have been playing a strategic game with the EU issue.

The Irish vote is the clear ammunition they need to pull out of the treaty with out upsetting many big players with in the EU, who ever they are.

The fact is the rules state all 27 member states must ratify the treaty for the treaty to become the rule of law.

This is the telling time if they want to push to get out of the treaty which I suspect they do they have the legitimacy to do so with out seeming like their not just trying to hold the process up. We shall have to wait and see.
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A very interesting article. I shall be watching Cameron and the Tories very closely.
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Originally Posted by Roland:
David Cameron and the conservative party (who i'm no real fan of) have been playing a strategic game with the EU issue.

The Irish vote is the clear ammunition they need to pull out of the treaty with out upsetting many big players with in the EU, who ever they are.

The fact is the rules state all 27 member states must ratify the treaty for the treaty to become the rule of law.

This is the telling time if they want to push to get out of the treaty which I suspect they do they have the legitimacy to do so with out seeming like their not just trying to hold the process up. We shall have to wait and see.

who are they? well its elizabeth 2nd and Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and other banking families that are in europe.
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If the rule of law is to have any worth, then the Lisbon Treaty is as good as dead.
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Originally Posted by Roland:
David Cameron and the conservative party (who i'm no real fan of) have been playing a strategic game with the EU issue.

The Irish vote is the clear ammunition they need to pull out of the treaty with out upsetting many big players with in the EU, who ever they are.

The fact is the rules state all 27 member states must ratify the treaty for the treaty to become the rule of law.

This is the telling time if they want to push to get out of the treaty which I suspect they do they have the legitimacy to do so with out seeming like their not just trying to hold the process up. We shall have to wait and see.

I had suspected this for some time. They have kept quiet on it for the sake of unity, but as events have unfolded its no surprise that they are drifting to a eurosceptic position while remaining unified. Remaining unified is their strongest position to be in because this splitting process was really the assault of the europhiles on them, trying to make the split as big as possible. Now they can all agree Europe is a dodgy organisation and still remain friends. It would be excellent for them to grant a referendum as they get into power and one day they will realise the UKIP were right all along. It's only a matter of time. Lets hope they have learnt their lessons from how they became split in the first place.
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Don't fall for it. They are just playing on the current conditions. When in power, they will revert to type and impose more EU on our once proud nation.
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What evidence is there to support that position? If the entire party was heavily eurosceptic Cameron could not make it europhile even if he wanted to. My eurosceptic MP supported him as he was running to be elected so he can't be that much of a traitor.
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Even if Cameron is eurosceptic, to make any change to the status quo of UK in the EU, he would have to get very heavy with the EU - the consequences of that would have to be being willing to pull out - he simply would/could not do that. So the whole thing is bogus.
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Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov:
I had suspected this for some time. They have kept quiet on it for the sake of unity, but as events have unfolded its no surprise that they are drifting to a eurosceptic position while remaining unified. Remaining unified is their strongest position to be in because this splitting process was really the assault of the europhiles on them, trying to make the split as big as possible. Now they can all agree Europe is a dodgy organisation and still remain friends. It would be excellent for them to grant a referendum as they get into power and one day they will realise the UKIP were right all along. It's only a matter of time. Lets hope they have learnt their lessons from how they became split in the first place.

To be out and out anti EU is not a good maneuver for a main stream party to adopt. To those that don't understand the true meaning and possible threats of the EU (which most of the public have no conception of and nither do most MP's) it would be seen as just being anti European or nationalist with out good reason.

It's no conspiracy theory that the EU just does as it wishes with basically a media blanket as to how the EU parliament works with an absolute disregard of the will of the people. It made me quite sick to listen to Barroso talk of how it is undemocratic that all member states would have to suffer because of one after they'd completely ignored the wishes of the French and the Dutch. But this does not make the MSM head lines even in anti EU papers like the Sun so the public have no idea of the threat to our democracy and right of self government.

To add weight to the original point David Cameron very quickly, publicly, aggressively declared that under the circumstances the treaty is dead. Those are not the moves of some one who believes in the treaty they are the actions of some one waiting for an opportunity to pounce.

As far as the Europhiles with in the conservative party go, I think that when/if the EU push ahead with the treaty against it's own rules they will start to see the contempt shown towards the people they claim to represent.
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