Originally Posted by Petrina:
This is absolutely gobsmackingly awful ! Can it be real?

Of course it can be real.

People need to realize that these are sick and evil people in power with a sick and evil agenda.

Because the average well meaning person cannot imagine such individuals existing or abusing power, they think it unimaginable that others (especially those in positions of power and influence) can be.

If people want to see how sick the elite is they should go onto youtube and watch "Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove" which shows video footage of those that attend (which has included Bush, Kissinger etc) indulge in mock human sacrifices and worship Lucifer.

Again sounds crazy, but the point is, they are the crazy ones, not the messenger who reports it.
But because the public are good they can't imagine anyone else being so bad.

Don't believe me then go onto youtube and watch it with your own eyes.

On the subject of Bush, look at this story from the Washington Times (all I did was do a quick google search)

The Child Prostitution Ring that Reached Bush Whitehouse

Surely people are already aware of Bush's pro-troture agenda ?
Google that too if you don't beleive it.

People, don't be blissfully ignorant of these crazies that are destroying your lives before your own eyes - get onto youtube and watch "Endgame" before it's too late.
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I want to be a cynic about this as I have a 5yo daughter and I really cannot think of anything more disgusting that massaging her clitoris, and I cannot believe that any government could back these ideas. Also I do not want her to know about masturbation for many more years. I want her to enjoy her innocence when she still can.
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Originally Posted by angelman:
I want to be a cynic about this as I have a 5yo daughter and I really cannot think of anything more disgusting that massaging her clitoris, and I cannot believe that any government could back these ideas. Also I do not want her to know about masturbation for many more years. I want her to enjoy her innocence when she still can.

I strongly urge you to look into the corruption of the EU and the New World Order and the so called "conspiracy theories" that the media does not want you to discover the truth about.
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I have emailed the German organisation but not yet received a reply. I believe it is true. It would not surprise me though because libertarians are fundamentslly sick and try to justify any evil so long as they feel morally superior.
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Here is a 550-word article I wrote for a Christian newspaper on this subject just under a year ago, on 4 August 2007:

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German Ministry of Family Affairs promotes incestuous paedophilia

by a correspondent

In another sign of the times as Western European society slides into ever-greater decadence, the German government’s Ministry of Family Affairs has released two ‘educational’ booklets which openly promote incestuous paedophilia.

One commentator, Canadian author Michael O’Brien, wrote that: “This German state intervention in family life has reached a new level of auto-destruction”.

According to a report on LifeSiteNews.com, booklets from a subsidiary of the German government's Ministry for Family Affairs encourage parents to “sexually massage their children from as young an age as 1 to 3 years of age”. The two 40-page booklets, entitled Koerper, Liebe und Doktorspiele, (Love, Body and Playing Doctor) by Bundeszentrale fuer Gesundheitliche Aufklaerung (German Federal Health Education Centre) are aimed at parents of children up to 6 years of age.

FATHERS

The booklet for 1-3 year-olds proclaims: “Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex”. The authors’ explanation for including this material was: “The child touches all parts of their father's body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same”.

O’Brien commented: “State-encouraged incest, which in most civilized societies is a crime, is a natural outcome of the rejection of the Judeo-Christian moral order. The imposed social revolution that has swept the western world is moving to a new stage as it works out the logical consequences of its view of man's value…If man is no more than a creature created for pleasure or power, then no moral standards, no psychological truths, no spiritual truths can refute the 'will to power' and the 'will to pleasure’”.

The German government pamphlet also advises parents to permit young children ‘unlimited masturbation’, except where physical injury becomes apparent. It advises: "Children should learn that there is no such thing as shameful parts of the body. The body is a home, which you should be proud of”. Detailed descriptions given in the booklet are unsuitable to mention in this newspaper. For ages 4-6, the booklet recommends teaching children the movements of copulation.

SONG BOOK

The same Ministry of Family Affairs has produced a song book aimed at children of four and slightly older which includes several songs espousing the virtues of masturbation.

O’Brien concludes his analysis: “The wiser and deeper position of most civilizations recognized that children need a period of innocence. Now the German state, is encouraging destruction of this state of innocence. This is consistent with the materialist philosophy that sees all moral norms and all truths about human nature as repressive”.

According to the Polish daily newspaper Rzeczpospolita, the Family Affairs booklet is an obligatory read in nine German regions and is used for training nursery, kindergarten and elementary school teachers. Astonishingly, it is recommended by many German organisations officially fighting paedophilia, such as the German Kinderschutzbund. Eckhardt Scheffer of the Ministry of Family Affairs claimed that before releasing the manual they consulted ‘parents, educators and child psychologists’, 93% of whom, he claimed, ‘gave a positive evaluation’.

Germany allows teen magazines to publishes nude photos of teenagers in sexual positions which would in almost all other nations be illegal child pornography. The full Michael O'Brien essay can be accessed on the Internet at:

http://studiobrien.com/site/index.ph...n=com_content&...

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Originally Posted by david H:
I have emailed the German organisation but not yet received a reply. I believe it is true. It would not surprise me though because libertarians are fundamentslly sick and try to justify any evil so long as they feel morally superior.

Care to logically back up your outrageous assertions? Or again will you leave them unsupported?
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Originally Posted by david H:
Petrina, libertarians are half way there. This is just an inevitable progression of the degeneracy espoused by Sean Gabb and Chris Brand and our own smidgey, The Bear and Bonnie Dundee.
The Swedish government are planning to teach cross-dressing to three year-olds. UKIP need to wake up and fight this battle properly.

David, don’t act like a thing that is usually brown and hairy, and commonly known by a word that starts with a “C”, ends in a “T” and contains “U” and “N” between them.

I find it highly offensive to have my values associated in any way with pedophilia, especially by people who are so hung up about sex that they get a fit of the vapors about how modern girls dress and saw what is nothing more than the sort of thing kids do as part of growing up as being in some way indecent as you have expressed in the not too distant past.

You don’t like me? Fine, but as I wrote at the start of this, that’s no justification to act like a coconut.
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As one might expect it’s a load of tosh.

For example the “unlimited masturbation” advice actually comes out as not reacting with horror and trying to stop them with all sorts of dire warnings such as “It’ll make you become a BNP member” as many people do if a kid plays with it’s todger.

Come to think of it there may be more than a little truth about constant ************ and joining the BNP, but there’s no truth about going blind as many kids get told.

Just another example of “the same old same old” from The Usual Suspects.
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Originally Posted by Tony Bennett:
{a} “Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex”.

{b} “The child touches all parts of their father's body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same”.

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{a} well I wonder why that is? and why do all these quangos feel the need for innocent kids to know about sex. A child of 1-3, to which this article refers, should not know about their sexuality and therefore having pride in it is not relevant. Suggesting that they should is not only arrogant but just plain wrong.

{b} the only time my kids ever touched me is when I had a bath with them and I am distracted with another and could not see the hand sneaking its way forwards. if one of them grabs my nuts, their hand gets taken away quick smart, a verbal reprimand is given and certain parts go into hiding. maybe I am too conservative giving the reprimand but that's the way I am. the suggestion that the father gets aroused is (I hope) deluded in near all cases and shows a dangerous mentality in the reports authors.

Are we really that different from the Germans? Maybe naively, I always thought that one of the common traits amongst all nations was the way we looked at and after our young children (excluding the occasional bad apple).

DavidH - it would be interesting to see if you get a reply. Somehow I suspect that they might not reply having been bombarded by every Christian group on the planet as well as huge numbers of people like you and me who think that this is just plain wrong.
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There is a serious point here. One of the problems with Establishment orthodoxy is that its always looking for new things to tolerate, in much the same way smackheads hunt for a score, no low is too low to stop them. This phenomena is generated by the culture of Establishment orthodoxy which implies that tolerance must always be moving forward in line with Progress Theory and because if it stops the pendulum might start to fall back. The culture also Lionizes those on the extreme leading edge and see their beliefs as inevitably going mainstream which creates a self forfilling prophecy.

Having tolerated Islamic intolerance, Homosexual adoption, a whole range of criminality, bigamy and drug abuse the bar has been raised to a dizzy height.

There is a disturbing trend gaining momentum to re-assess pedophilia within the Establishment. There already exists in the Netherlands a political party/campaign group advocating "intergenerational sex" (In the Netherlands the age of consent is 12 so long as the partner is with 1 year). And there are voices talking about the age of sexual maturity and adulthood. If we look at the reduction of the age of consent for homosexuals to 16, in breach of good sound practical reasons for the difference and exclusively on the basis of "equality", in this light.....

Also to watch out for:

African religious/medical practices on the NHS. Alternative medicines/therapies/treatments are all ready available and this opens the way for claims of racism if the same principle is not extended to other cultures. This would literally mean animal sacrificing witch doctors practicing at the public's expense in the UK.

Female circumcision: An important cultural practice which would be better carried out under proper surgical conditions since it is going to happen anyway. The abortion argument.

Slavery: Informally and formally practiced by numerous African and Arab cultures. Cases of de facto slavery have been reported in the UK including in the infamous Climbie case. In need of regulation in the same way as the recent "gangmaster" laws?
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