Aaarrgghh So how bad are things going to get?

"Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

--David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405

The research is there if you really want to see with your eyes and hear with
your ears.

So sad so many folks in your country not believing in Jesus. It takes faith.

Anne Rice was a atheist when she wrote her vampire books. Now she has
written two books about Jesus. Christ The Lord Out Of Egypt and
Christ the Lord Out Of Cana. In the back of her books are
Author's Notes. I suggest reading the books and doing some research
from reading the books by authors she suggest. I wouldn't suggest grounding
yourselves in a particular church.

The troublesome problem of Americans not taking action is frustrating but
we do know from our Bible there will be a one world government ruled by
Satan, the Anti-Christ. Two sides of the coin. One group says it's God's plan
and we should NOT take actions. Then other side says we are to fight evil and
God will help those who help themselves. I choose the second coin. We give
Satan a inch, he'll be our ruler.

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Tanny, you can bet it all started in Middle East/Europe. Start with the Rothschold bloodline.

I suggest youcantakethetruth spend her/his time doing research on Jesus first.
Thompson Chain NKJB Study Bible. The Geneva Bible came before King James
and refreshing. Pilgrims came to American with this Bible.

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Originally Posted by TannyD:
Why not research into the inflitration by NWO into the United Kingdom, maybe even get inside the "monster" to get the information.

That might be a fun project for you, after all you are after the truth to bring it to the people so that you can open the eyes of the dumbed-down brainless masses, right?

Well suppose I asked for that. :-)

I'd love to infiltrate but can't see me becoming an MP or MEP in a hurry ! :-) (that's not the NWO of course just elite serving politicians)

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Originally Posted by libertylover:
Tanny, you can bet it all started in Middle East/Europe. Start with the Rothschold bloodline.

I suggest youcantakethetruth spend her/his time doing research on Jesus first.
Thompson Chain NKJB Study Bible. The Geneva Bible came before King James
and refreshing. Pilgrims came to American with this Bible.

Rothschild and Rockefeller are some of the names of the big families.

I'd love to study more about religion libertylover but I'm so busy trying to convince people the world is turning to ****.

If you can post me a link or something I'd be grateful though.

Why is it important ?

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Originally Posted by libertylover:
The troublesome problem of Americans not taking action is frustrating but
we do know from our Bible there will be a one world government ruled by
Satan, the Anti-Christ. Two sides of the coin. One group says it's God's plan
and we should NOT take actions. Then other side says we are to fight evil and
God will help those who help themselves. I choose the second coin. We give
Satan a inch, he'll be our ruler.

I guess this is an apt reply for a thread titled 'how bad are things going to get?' But the devil ruling over the land? haha are you nuts?

Originally Posted by libertylover:
So sad so many folks in your country not believing in Jesus. It takes faith.

Our education system teaches us that Evolution works, How the Sun, the planets and the galaxies were created. It teaches us the basic premises of science, I'e water can't be turned into wine just by thinking 'change'

When you say 'it takes faith' you fail to say what that entails, it means throwing away the truths that science demonstrates. It means disregarding common sense in order to believe that a man once walked on water

Tony Blair had avoided talking about his religious views saying "you talk about it in our system and, frankly, people do think you're a nutter"". and his spokesman said "we don't do religion"

Thats something unusual to be proud of but I am, that alone shows that the UK is waking up to the lies and that we finally live in a society not governed by any religion. The USA can't say that!

Anyway back onto the subject at hand

BBC NEWS | Business | RBS has �691m loss in first half

BBC NEWS | Business | UK home repossessions rise by 41%

BBC NEWS | Business | House prices 'fell 1.7% in July'

Things are steadily getting worse, I really hope wowbanger is wrong about his predictions... but everyday it appears as if the economic downturn is speeding up.

Wowbanger, what would be your timescale before people start fighting for the last bag of rice in the supermarkets?

oh and 1 more thing libertylover, the tooth fairy wants her money back!

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I might have jumped to conclusions, truth.

May I ask what you mean when you say you're on the fence with your religious beliefs?

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Originally Posted by GenghisChris:
Our education system teaches us that Evolution works,

You mean it teaches "survival of the fittest" Darwinist rubbish that seeks to make people accept there must be an elite that rule over eveyone else and there is a natural "order" in society that must be accepted.
How convenient for the state to teach that..... :-)

Originally Posted by GenghisChris:
How the Sun, the planets and the galaxies were created.

Do tell me the answer to this one because I don't know.
The big bang ? And where did that come from ?

Besides which, how does that actually educate people to think for themselves ? Isn't it just a bunch of useless facts like History lessons ?

Originally Posted by GenghisChris:
It teaches us the basic premises of science, I'e water can't be turned into wine just by thinking 'change'

Ok some education is useful but only enough to make society function and fit into pre-defined roles.
Doesn't teach you anything about adopting creative thinking - not suprising either....

Originally Posted by GenghisChris:
When you say 'it takes faith' you fail to say what that entails, it means throwing away the truths that science demonstrates. It means disregarding common sense in order to believe that a man once walked on water

If Jesus did exist it's totally likely that he would have been capable of unnatural phenomenon outside of science in the physical world.
But you're proabably taking the bible too literally - is it meant to be taken word for word and applied to todays world ? I'd guess not.
It's probably parables and wise hidden meanings ?

Originally Posted by GenghisChris:
Tony Blair had avoided talking about his religious views saying "you talk about it in our system and, frankly, people do think you're a nutter"". and his spokesman said "we don't do religion"

If Tony Blair was religious in the proper sense of the word, he wouldn't start illegal wars that kill thousands of people and lie.

Originally Posted by GenghisChris:
Thats something unusual to be proud of but I am, that alone shows that the UK is waking up to the lies and that we finally live in a society not governed by any religion. The USA can't say that!

I think you've made the classic mistake that because you see fake religion being practiced, you think all religious thinking is rubbish too.

How can you dismiss a religion that you haven't discovered yet ?
You can't because you don't know what it necessarily is to begin with !

I'm not saying I believe or not in "religion" because it's possible that no-one(including myself) really knows, but I'm not going to follow Dawkins like a smug brainwashed sheep either.

Ever asked yourself, what's his motivation ?

If it were the truth, I doubt he would have anything to do with the BBC would he ?

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Not all believe that there is no god and many can accept Darwin’s observations and predictions are correct backed up with massive evidence. Could those who follow faith accept that Darwin’s studies are accurate and a God and Jesus can equally exist?

Darwin explained we are merely part of the natural world and global elite has nothing to do with that. Cows don’t have global elite and apes don’t have global elite so it is clear that it does not back up that theory.

Survival of the fittest has nothing to do with strength or power and is merely an adaptation that gives that organism an advantage over others that enables it to pass on those traits to the next generation.

Look at any organism and you will see that it has changed over the years and unless you believe that all fossil evidence, archaeological and history is a test of faith you will realise Darwin was 100% correct and even looking around at present events you can see it is still in action.

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Originally Posted by Aardvark:
We own the service industry and control, to a limited extent, the markets. We are making alliances in other places, such as central Asia where it is still cool to be a Brit. We also over-consume so a cutback on non-essentials will mean, whilst we trash our own pubs and restaurants by non-use, we will not be importing so many white goods etc. We will be severely buffeted and unemployment will soar and the pips will squeak, but we will survive as we have infrastructure in place, we have built enough houses if we double up a bit, we have a naturally stable population in terms of revolutionary tendencies, we are well educated in real terms and we have enough people who can survive on a bag of chips and 25p lager in front of the telly. So long as we have bread and circuses we'll be all right.

The problem with services industries are that they don't create wealth, merely recycle it. You just can't have a economy totally given over to fundamentally useless activities and rely on imports to supply your every need. It like the legendary town whose economy consisted solely of people taking in each others laundry. The basic mechanisms of the "money-go-round" still works BUT there is no-one to do the real work so the town just falls to bits.

Moreover they are vulnerable, very vulnerable to sequential collapse as the product they supply is eminently dispensable and they are tied to their local community and can not seek new markets. Because of these factors a service industry based economy is best compared to a very long row of close coupled dominoes, made out of Semtex.

The fact is we do not have the infrastructure we need, we have no industrial capacity to speak of nor do we have enough agricultural land to feed our population. We do have the High Speed One rail connection but it is unclear how this helps.

As to the reaction of the populace. How we see this as going is entirely dependent on what we see happening, what they are reacting to.

This one is different to any economic downturn ever seen. The mechanisms of the system itself are breaking down. For decades we have systemically weakened and distorted our own society and economy and there is a serious possibility, maybe even a probability, that those systems could just fail completely under the external pressures now building on them. These pressures are only just beginning to get going and the cracks in the foundations are already terrifying. For example the price of oil is high simply because of supply Vs demand, there is no supply problem as yet. Periodically those supplies are threatened by wars in the Middle East, revolutions in Nigeria and Venezuela and hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico. These events cause spikes and when one of these random events hits the already elevated oil price the result could be to apply intolerable pressure on the fragile economy of the West.

One interesting aspect of this is that the pain is on its way not for the underclass or the working class. These people have nothing left to lose and can not be anymore humiliated or reduced than they already have been by the 20th century. The people with their balls in the bacon slicer this time are the classical middle class. They have the huge debts and they performing useless sinecure tasks in the employ of the State and they have the ridiculously exaggerated expectations of something, a lot of something, for nothing. Interestingly they are completely lacking any sort of reality based intellectual tools which might help them understand what is about to hit them.

Historians, particularly Marx, have commonly observed that you can do what you like to the working class but whatever you do don't disappoint the middle class. They have been proven to be volatile, completely unprincipled and susceptible to any wild promise offered them over and over again. All the successful revolutions in history have been products of the outraged middle class. Looking at our own situation we see a huge section of the middle class already radicalized, although atypically they have been radicalized to half a dozen different ideologies and even more bizarrely none at all. There instincts tell them that someones **** needs kicking but as yet no one has identified a suitable weak satisfactory target that they feel comfortable scapegoating.

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