Originally Posted by whypatcondellisntfun:
Where have you been since 9/11? Come in Wowbanger TIP, your time is up. Muslims are the New Communists (who were the New Nazis...).

Don't you know that the way to rid the UK, and Europe, of economic and political strife is to send all the Muslims back to Saudi?

At least, that is the message I'm getting loud and clear.

If I'm even close to right about what is happening in the economy the Muslim community is irrelevant. I think that it would have become a problem, if not the problem, facing Western civilization had it been able to maintain its economic status.

Immigration will stop and reverse very shortly as the economic drivers grind to a halt, the mass international transport networks collapse and the consequences of Balkanization become ever more evident.

Any Muslims which are stupid enough to still be here when zero hour arrives will stand almost no chance of survival. The areas in which they live are the most susceptible to social unrest and the least conducive to adaptation to semi/self sufficient conditions, their community has made itself hated by every other, they will no doubt react in a typically aggressive and organized fashion while whining about victimization simultaneously which will further provoke the rest of the population. Without the protection of the State Muslims will be first, second on third on the scapegoat list, even the Jews won't get a look in. No-one has more to lose or fear from an economic collapse than the Muslim community, the siege of Dewsbury will make the siege of Sarajevo, no Leningrad, look like Woodstock.

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"It couldn't happen in a civilized technically advanced society?"

Don Ali Mohamed , Granada 1492 (Muslim survivors = 0)
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
Any Muslims which are stupid enough to still be here when zero hour arrives will stand almost no chance of survival. The areas in which they live are the most susceptible to social unrest and the least conducive to adaptation to semi/self sufficient conditions, their community has made itself hated by every other, they will no doubt react in a typically aggressive and organized fashion while whining about victimization simultaneously which will further provoke the rest of the population. Without the protection of the State Muslims will be first, second on third on the scapegoat list, even the Jews won't get a look in. No-one has more to lose or fear from an economic collapse than the Muslim community, the siege of Dewsbury will make the siege of Sarajevo, no Leningrad, look like Woodstock.

Where will white British Muslims fit in under this scenario? Will they be regarded as eccentric Britons or as traitors to the nation?
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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress:
Where will white British Muslims fit in under this scenario? Will they be regarded as eccentric Britons or as traitors to the nation?

IMO most indigenous Muslims aren't really Muslims.

Most are just exhibitionists, the best merely using Islam to give their lives some structure. A sort of superior self help regime.

I should doubt many will follow the creed's demands and represent on the front line when it comes down to it. Any that do would have to be regarded as the epitome of treason.

Not that I think that this process will be Islamic Colonies Vs the rest. I think that in a time of universal shortages most people will chose to put ALL immigrants to the back of the queue (which is a hell of a long way from the point where the goodies run out), without the state to enforce equality this is bound to happen. This will force those communities to organize and attempt to take what they need, not that most of them will need much encouragement. Resulting in vicious low tech localized conflicts which they are bound to lose thanks to weight of numbers and the unequal access of the indigenous communities to serious weaponry, light artillery, automatic small arms, sniper rifles etc courtesy of the remnants of the Army. As seen in Yugoslavia, except there will be no Hague or UN to pour cold water on proceedings.

Once the cycle is initiated everyone will be sucked in, as Enoch pointed out race is the uniform you can't take off, neutrality or surrender are not concepts observed in such conflicts.

Not that such conflicts will be purely racial, all sorts of conflicts will rage over local resources until the population and resources arrive at an equilibrium. My guess is no city larger than Oxford will survive and by the population will eventually stabilize at around twenty million ten years after zero hour. Starvation, disease and war will account for the other two thirds of the population.
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
As seen in Yugoslavia, except there will be no Hague or UN to pour cold water on proceedings.

You mean fuelling the fire and instigating the conflict to start off with.

Kosovo: A matter of Western oil interests, not democracy

"In 1999, the United States led NATO in bombing the former Yugoslavia under the pretense of preventing Serbian aggression against Kosovar Albanians. Former president of Serbia, Slobodan Milosevic, whom the United States once supported, played a key role in the aggression.

While bombing was said to be essential to prevent genocide, in 2005 senior Clinton official John Norris wrote differently in his novel Collision Course.

“It was Yugoslavia’s resistance to the broader trends of political and economic reform — not the plight of the Kosovar Albanians — that best explains NATO’s war,” he wrote.

Bill Richardson, Clinton’s secretary of energy, also brought up underlying reasons for the bombing.

“This is about America’s energy security,” he said months after the bombing.

Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
Not that such conflicts will be purely racial, all sorts of conflicts will rage over local resources until the population and resources arrive at an equilibrium. My guess is no city larger than Oxford will survive and by the population will eventually stabilize at around twenty million ten years after zero hour. Starvation, disease and war will account for the other two thirds of the population.

Oh you're loving this aren't you Wowbanger ?

Why don't you just come out and say that we all deserve it too for "progress" sake ? :-)

And where's this all war coming from out of interest ?
The evil muslims and Al-CIA-da ?

Fake.
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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress:
Where will white British Muslims fit in under this scenario? Will they be regarded as eccentric Britons or as traitors to the nation?

As opposed to those darned ethnic Muslims, eh?

The white Muslims ain't so bad, eccentric Britons they are, but Lord help those 'ethnic' (e.g. brown or black) ones. Is that what you are saying here? Help me understand.
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I think Wowbanger TIP was suggesting that there is a difference of being raised with Muslim values with the perception of what is wrong and right and deciding later to convert a Muslim faith with existing Christian or atheism foundations.

If someone was raised as a Muslim and was white then it would be the same no matter of there skin colour although they may be recognised as an insider visually by the public.
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Personally I don't give a toss what point he was trying to make - there is no issue in terms of what religion people decide to take - it's up to them.

Probably just another excuse to bring up Islam as an issue.

In my view, there's more important things to be concerned about like the possible threat of a nuclear war......
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I agree it is up to a person to decide what religion to follow but personal values are often shaped at a young age and can not be changed easily.
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True I agree.
Building on that fact though, it is the state schools system which has the biggest effect on shaping personal values - i.e. submission to/not to question authority, suppression of creativity, teaching historical innacuracies etc

Religion too I suppose (though you don't see many schools teaching christian values in schools now though suprise suprise)
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Britain is facing "arguably the worst" economic downturn in 60 years which will be "more profound and long-lasting" than people had expected, Alistair Darling, the chancellor, tells the Guardian today.

In the government's gravest assessment of the economy, which follows a warning from a Bank of England policymaker that 2 million people could be out of work by Christmas, Darling admits he had no idea how serious the credit crunch would become.

His blunt remarks lay bare the unease in the highest ranks of the cabinet that the downturn is making it all but impossible for Gordon Brown to recover momentum after a series of setbacks.

Economy at 60-year low, says Darling. And it will get worse | Politics | The Guardian
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