Originally Posted by The Bear:
And the proof is?

You'll have to take my word for it, NG's driver told me. But then as a junior official in the party, I have received numerous threats myself and to my family. :-)
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Depends what levels of liberalism you are talking about as you can have more personal freedoms in nationalism but national freedoms come first.

Liberals tend to but individuals first and the damaging effects are not worried about. (You have the right to be different and that difference should be promoted and encouraged.)

Nationalism puts restrictions on trade and personal freedoms that damage the nation. Gay pride parades damage the nation as it promotes difference, multiculturalism damages a nation, mixing of groups with different historical background (race) damages a nation. Crime is taken more seriously and the death penalty is likely to be used for serious offenders, the human rights legislation will be scrapped and the indigenous population will be put before all others.

I think there are a few conflicts of interest in there and so it directly conflicts with liberalism as individual freedoms only exist in the boundaries of the nation under nationalist rule.
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Originally Posted by HM:
Are you against such campaigning? Isn't it the successful, highly concentrated campaigning that has caused the BNP to consistently trample over UKIP efforts at the polls?

I think that such tactics could be phenomenally successful. I have no particularly wish therefore to see the BNP as it is currently constituted use them.

It is a common misconception among UKIP activists that the BNP run highly effective focused campaigns. The evidence for this is the relative success of the BNP as compared to UKIP.

In reality very few BNP units are capable of anything more than crude leaflet campaigns and many not even that.

The BNP's "success" is more a product of the raw appeal of the BNP's message than any tactical sophistication.

When you combine the message with units capable of applying conventional canvass and mobilize techniques the result is something like Epping Forest. Bedworth is the best example I have come across personally.

Why the BNP has not made "best practice" 'standard practice" is a mystery which has never been satisfactorily explained. The BNP have known the effectiveness of such campaigns at least since Burnley 2002 and should have worked it out after Tower Hamlets fifteen years ago.
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Originally Posted by The Nationalist:
Depends what levels of liberalism you are talking about as you can have more personal freedoms in nationalism but national freedoms come first.

Liberals tend to but individuals first and the damaging effects are not worried about. (You have the right to be different and that difference should be promoted and encouraged.)

Nationalism puts restrictions on trade and personal freedoms that damage the nation. Gay pride parades damage the nation as it promotes difference, multiculturalism damages a nation, mixing of groups with different historical background (race) damages a nation. Crime is taken more seriously and the death penalty is likely to be used for serious offenders, the human rights legislation will be scrapped and the indigenous population will be put before all others.

I think there are a few conflicts of interest in there and so it directly conflicts with liberalism as individual freedoms only exist in the boundaries of the nation under nationalist rule.

Placing the "community" before the individual is known in political terms as communism.

When the community is identified as a nation state we call that fascism, whose very defining feature is the fetishisation of the state. Although the issue is further blurred by Leninist "communism in one country".
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
Placing the "community" before the individual is known in political terms as communism.

When the community is identified as a nation state we call that fascism, whose very defining feature is the fetishisation of the state. Although the issue is further blurred by Leninist "communism in one country".

Nationalism leans more towards socialism than the present political climate but is equally as far from communism as it is from capitalism. Nationalism gives a natural variety of social class that an individual’s success can be reflected in society. Companies remain privately owned and are encouraged when adding to the nation’s wealth and stability. When a company risks having too much power that could be used or is used against the nation and prevents other companies in competing then growth must be discouraged until the balance is restored.

Communism puts the workers first before all else and in many cases kills or removes all those who resemble power and wealth. Communism believes that nations, communities and traditions are a hindrance to uniting the workers and also believes in giant states that can support them. Communism is a global view not a national view of the world and the state controls all prices and industries with the workers receiving there equal shear of the profit and not exploited.

Fascism is a word that is confusing and can be seen in many ways. Fascism for a start originated from Italy not Germany and the Nazis were not in the true sense fascist.

For a start the fascist movement introduced voting for women (which was opposed by most other European nations), a minimum wage, reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55, the facist movement intraduced far more deomocratic rights for all and was lead by former Socialist Party members and nationalists. If you are refuring to the origional fasist movement concepts it is not an insult and many would have prefered to live under its rule.

See the fasist manifesto:
Fascist manifesto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else... almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. — George Orwell, What is Fascism?. 1944.
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What happened to ''Boudica'' the ''battle bus” the BNP made an appeal for in 2006 ?
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Originally Posted by ukiprule:
What happened to ''Boudica'' the ''battle bus” the BNP made an appeal for in 2006 ?

That's a question I have asked, but had no sensible reply.
:-)
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Originally Posted by ukiprule:
What happened to ''Boudica'' the ''battle bus” the BNP made an appeal for in 2006 ?

What happened to the milllions UKIP MEPs raked in over the years?
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Originally Posted by Vortex:
What happened to the milllions UKIP MEPs raked in over the years?

Did nobody ever tell you that it is impolite to answer a question with a question.

This is the first time I've heard of the BNP 'battle bus'. The original question:

Originally Posted by ukiprule:
What happened to ''Boudica'' the ''battle bus” the BNP made an appeal for in 2006 ?

Is very pertinent and more in keeping with the spirit of this thread than most of the other conversation going on in here.

You have said you are:

Originally Posted by Vortex:
... a junior official in the party, I have received numerous threats myself and to my family. :-)

If you cannot answer this question, who in your party can?
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Originally Posted by Vortex:
What happened to the milllions UKIP MEPs raked in over the years?

How is that relevant? Where are the millions raked in by the BNP?
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