Originally Posted by C_steam:
Don't diagree. But you don't 'know' it nor can you fairly claim that he is advocating lebensborn (your words)

Fair enough. I retract my statement that he "advocated" it. But I still think that it is far from what the BNP call "decent" to have printed the project's logo on his arm.
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According to the internet it comes from an ancient alphabet, or futhark, used in Northern Europe for many centuries before the general adoption of the Roman alphabet there.

I don’t see why you think that is a bad symbol to have and is quite appropriate of someone who believes there history is a large part of who they are. You are making links to Nazis where ever possible and most of them are extremely flimsy. Maybe our government is secretly Nazi as it supports the Olympics and a healthy life style like Hitler did.

True is nationalists are generally proud of there links to there ancestors so it probably best to look at there real meaning first as that particular symbol has no evil meaning.

Rune Meanings - The Elder Futhark
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According to the internet it comes from an ancient alphabet, or futhark, used in Northern Europe for many centuries before the general adoption of the Roman alphabet there.

I don’t see why you think that is a bad symbol to have and is quite appropriate of someone who believes there history is a large part of who they are. You are making links to Nazis where ever possible and most of them are extremely flimsy. Maybe our government is secretly Nazi as it supports the Olympics and a healthy life style like Hitler did.

True is nationalists are generally proud of there links to there ancestors so it probably best to look at there real meaning first as that particular symbol has no evil meaning.

Rune Meanings - The Elder Futhark
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Woops did not mean to post that twice and about the true truck it can show any message and will be fitted with speakers.

I donated £50 and received a nice thank you letter hand signed by Nick Griffin as I am willing to make sacrifices to benefit the nations of Britain.
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The BNP do not have big unions or company bosses who can contribute money, who will want a pay back for their money.

The money for the BNP comes from the pockets of ordinary working people, which is something to be proud of.
A real party of the people, and not in dept to some rich union baron or some slimy rich Tory toe rag.
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Originally Posted by HM:
I thought I ought to comment on the BNP's "truth truck appeal", since it contains Nick Cass. This is the man, who on the documentary BNP Wives, showed that on his arm is a tattoo showing the SS's Lebensborn project's symbol; the life rune. Read about Lebensborn here if you aren't acquainted with it: Lebensborn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

So imagine the irony, with this piece of information in mind, when you see the "truth" truck on which is printed next to the picture of Cass "Decent people vote British National Party" :-):-):-):-):-):-):-). Has Cass done a Griffinesque "I'll forget I was jailed and that I denied the holocaust"? Or maybe some mates tattooed it on his arm as a joke.

I think I'm right in saying this is the same program Joy Division was named after. I don't know what bearing this has on the question in hand but no opportunity to mention the coolest band ever should be missed.

I've seen these runes all over the BNP, including this one prominently displayed at the RWB festival. I have never met a member who had any idea what they were supposed to be other than some vague reference to pre-Christian Britain.

Indeed many members are scathing about this obsession with dead Norse languages as it gives the Party the air of a seventies Sabbath album or some sort of ubernerd war gaming society.

However given the Party's past its hard to dismiss any connection to Nazism, no matter how tangential and flimsy as in this case. I doubt Cass had this tattoo because of its Nazi connotations anymore than the local slappers in Brum are Taoists because they have the Ying/Yang Pepsi logo on their shoulders. However if you consort with almost open neo Nazis like Collett and Griffin then you can not reasonably expect the benefit.

As for this Truth Truck. No better example of Griffin's total lack of imagination or savvy can be imagined. Why buy a brand new 7.5? For 30 grand I should think you could quite easily pick up a British built ERF 38 tonner, a 40 foot trailer and enough diesel to circumnavigate the planet and still have ten grand left over for the same price. Second hand 7.5's are worthless and it's not like it going to be carrying freight (they can only carry 3 tons anyway).

Moreover it will be the number one target of the Left wing direct action nutters. If they burned out a Leyland Roadrunner (as the Oldham branch ran in the Olden days) the publicity would be worth the 500 quid it cost. If they burn out a thirty grand DAF 45 the entire BNP will be crying into its beer for the next ten years.

Moreover how many votes will be won by a wagon with BNP painted on the side anyway? I don't think Eddie Stobart (boooooo) would win even Carlisle (there home base) despite having 600 artics running day and night.

I think Griffin should be thinking of someway to get the Party's core argument into the public consciousness, not going into competition with DHL.

NB In the industry whether 7.5 should be considered "trucks" (to refer even to a 44 ton Scania as a "truck" would be considered a faux pas in the industry. They are correctly termed lorries, if your square, wagons if your a bit retro and motors if you are fashionably disparaging of the vehicle) is a keenly debated point. Their advocates, mainly their drivers, assert that since they are fitted with air brakes and tachos and follow the conventional layout of ridged lorries they should be considered as equals of the HGV's (LGV's). Their detractors point out that they haven't got the all important air suspension seat and are in fact gay and thus should be considered a branch of the genus vans.
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Originally Posted by The Nationalist:
According to the internet it comes from an ancient alphabet, or futhark, used in Northern Europe for many centuries before the general adoption of the Roman alphabet there.

I don’t see why you think that is a bad symbol to have and is quite appropriate of someone who believes there history is a large part of who they are. You are making links to Nazis where ever possible and most of them are extremely flimsy. Maybe our government is secretly Nazi as it supports the Olympics and a healthy life style like Hitler did.

True is nationalists are generally proud of there links to there ancestors so it probably best to look at there real meaning first as that particular symbol has no evil meaning.

Rune Meanings - The Elder Futhark

I dont see how invading Russia could be considered as promoting a healthy lifestyle, quite the opposite in fact.
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Originally Posted by The Nationalist:
According to the internet it comes from an ancient alphabet, or futhark, used in Northern Europe for many centuries before the general adoption of the Roman alphabet there.

I don’t see why you think that is a bad symbol to have and is quite appropriate of someone who believes there history is a large part of who they are. You are making links to Nazis where ever possible and most of them are extremely flimsy. Maybe our government is secretly Nazi as it supports the Olympics and a healthy life style like Hitler did.

Flimsy? No. You can't be suggesting in all seriousness that Mr. Cass didn't realise the connotations of white supremacism and Aryan Nazism that the symbol held? Especially when he was member of a far-right party. He's either exceptionally stupid or is indeed a white supremacist.

BTW China is communist and if you think life under New Labour is "healthy" maybe you should be considering your sanity.

Originally Posted by The Nationalist:
True is nationalists are generally proud of there links to there ancestors so it probably best to look at there real meaning first as that particular symbol has no evil meaning.

Rune Meanings - The Elder Futhark

...except for being logo of a major Nazi Aryan project and symbol to many white power groups worldwide. Open your eyes, you aren't blind even if you BNP lot pretend to be where weaknesses crop up for you (i.e. frequently). That man is not "decent" and probably not so stupid that he doesn't realise that symbol's connotations. :-)
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Wowbanger, I think the idea of a 7.5 Tonka is misplaced. I think one of these parked in front may eclipse your effort.
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:-)
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Originally Posted by C_steam:
Am I being dense? The BNP and the ilk are into runes in general and similar nordic fantasy stuff. maybe he likes the 'Life' rune for its aesthetic appeal. There is, as far as i know, no evidence that he is linking this to the SS or 'advocating' lebensborn.

I mean, how many people have tattoos of smakes wrapped around a staff or rod, but they probably aren't doctors!

I largely agree. Such Germanic mythology is common enough in such groups, it doesn't make them Nazis or fascists. Undesirable perhaps but not Nazis.
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