Hitler used many old symbols and even the swastika was adapted from an existing ancient symbol. I don’t think we should run away from anything roman or linked to Europe’s ancient past just because Hitler also made the connection.

I was considering getting the White Wyvern as this is one of the oldest symbols of old England but many are now linking it to White Europeans as it is only part of there history making it in the Eyes of many to be racist.
Wyvern - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now getting away from Germany and connections of racism the trucks have been carefully selected so the size won’t full under the restrictive regulations and include a special lighting and sound system. The picture of the truck is an example and may look very different to the one shown but this type of campaigning has been used very successfully in other states.

Campaign and advertising truck images:
http://www.mobilestorm.com/digital-m.../54_truck1.jpg
http://adsontruck.com/images/truck.jpg

These will work alongside other campaigning methods such as our billboards:
http://www.bnp.org.uk/wp-content/upl...illboard01.jpg
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
Indeed many members are scathing about this obsession with dead Norse languages as it gives the Party the air of a seventies Sabbath album or some sort of ubernerd war gaming society.

Oy! Lay Off. Attack the BNP and wargamers if you like, but leave sabbath alone! Best thing to come out of brum - ever.

Ozzie V Dio - discuss.
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Originally Posted by C_steam:
Oy! Lay Off. Attack the BNP and wargamers if you like, but leave sabbath alone! Best thing to come out of brum - ever.

Ozzie V Dio - discuss.

The original Sabbath line up was the best. Geezer Butler RIP. Ronnie Dio was good but never had Ozzie's edge.

The most interesting sound I've heard recently, although the band have been around some time, is Blackmore's Night. Formed by Ritchie Blackmore with his stunning wife as lead singer this band fuses medieval sounds and instruments with folk rock. Fascinating stuff, pop over to YouTube for a listen.:-)


ps: I couldn't care less if Nick Cass has a tattoo of the Brandenburg Gate on his harris!:-)
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Originally Posted by HM:
This guy is electorally representing an extreme far-right political party. Do you really think he didn't realise that the life rune was an SS Lebensborn/white supremacist symbol? Maybe I like the swastika for its aesthetic appeal but I wouldn't permanently have it etched into my skin.

I have no problem with the hooked cross, or swastika as it is generally known in the English speaking world, especially in the guise of that as used by the Finnish. The Finns have no problem with it and it is still used on the ceremonial banner of the Finnish air force, and recently, a commemorative ring was issued to raise funds for the men who fought against Stalin in the post 1939 conflicts. Its use in Finland pre-dates that of the hooked cross as used by Hitler and his supporters from the time of the First world war, and unlike that of the Nazi symbol, was used positioned flush, not angled.

A symbol should not be derided solely because of its historical associations with a failed political ideology.
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Originally Posted by a swansong 4 europe:
I have no problem with the hooked cross, or swastika as it is generally known in the English speaking world, especially in the guise of that as used by the Finnish. The Finns have no problem with it and it is still used on the ceremonial banner of the Finnish air force, and recently, a commemorative ring was issued to raise funds for the men who fought against Stalin in the post 1939 conflicts. Its use in Finland pre-dates that of the hooked cross as used by Hitler and his supporters from the time of the First world war, and unlike that of the Nazi symbol, was used positioned flush, not angled.

A symbol should not be derided solely because of its historical associations with a failed political ideology.

I remember receiving a number of old books via my grandfather by Rudyard Kipling they all had the "swastika" on them, being of course a Hindu good luck symbol! The runes have been used by pagans thousands of years before Adolf made his unwlelcome entry into the world.:-)

Strange that young Harris is so concerned about a one inch tatoo on a minor BNP official dating back hundreds of years, on the day the day that our traitorous parliament signed the Lisbon Treaty.
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Vortex, that shows how easy it is for the elites to manipulate people into getting upset by what they want them to be upset by, while not noticing a massive betrayel of the whole population.
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Well, that just shows that we are so brain washed by the media that even the appearance of the hooked cross causes mental mayhem amongst the suburban intelligentsia.

Of course other matters such as the signing of the Lisbon Treaty is FAR FAR more important, but heaven forbid anyone using a hooked cross. It is even banned for use on the sort of plastic Airfix models I used to have a young lad; just try and buy a German WWII model plane now and you will find the tail hooked cross decals missing!
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Originally Posted by a swansong 4 europe:
Of course other matters such as the signing of the Lisbon Treaty is FAR FAR more important, but heaven forbid anyone using a hooked cross. It is even banned for use on the sort of plastic Airfix models I used to have a young lad; just try and buy a German WWII model plane now and you will find the tail hooked cross decals missing!

I find it offensive when people go hyper about these things and stop model German WWII planes from sporting swastikas. However I would also find it offensive if someone was wearing with pride and without good reason a Nazi symbol. So I repeat my claim: would a member of a white power group like the BNP really be stupid enough to permanently etch into his skin a white supremacist symbol is he was a "decent" person? Indecent or just plain stupid. I'll let ye decide.
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Here is the tattoo in question:-

nicktattoo.jpg (image)

The documentary itself (available on Google videos) asserted the tattoo was to show solidarity with a Neo Nazi white supremacist type organisation called "National Alliance" which uses the symbol as its' logo. Though Nick Cass denies this.

Here is a description of the symbol and what it means : Hate Symbols: Life Rune - From A Visual Database of Extremist Symbols, Logos and Tattoos

Here is a description of the National Alliance : National Alliance -- Extremism in America

William Pierce founded the National Alliance. The BBC exposed the link between Pierce and the BNP here BBC News | Programmes | Under the skin of the BNP

Originally Posted by :
Links between America and the BNP go back to 1995 when William Pierce addressed the BNP annual rally.

Pierce is leader of the neo-nazi National Alliance, America's most hardline racist group. He wrote The Turner Diaries, a fictional account of a race war in the US.

The book inspired Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber and David Copeland, the London nail bomber.

David Copeland was a member of the BNP.

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During police interviews, he admitted holding neo-Nazi views, and talked of his desire to spread fear and to trigger a race war. He told police "My main intent was to spread fear, resentment and hatred throughout this country, it was to cause a racial war." He also stated "There'd be a backlash from the ethnic minorities, I'd just be the spark that would set fire to this country." After his arrest, Copland wrote to BBC correspondent Graeme McLagan: "I bomb the blacks, 'pakkies', degenerates. I would have bombed the Jews as well if I'd got a chance."

Of course. This could all be simple coincidence.

Couldn't it?
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Originally Posted by HM:
I find it offensive when people go hyper about these things and stop model German WWII planes from sporting swastikas. However I would also find it offensive if someone was wearing with pride and without good reason a Nazi symbol. So I repeat my claim: would a member of a white power group like the BNP really be stupid enough to permanently etch into his skin a white supremacist symbol is he was a "decent" person? Indecent or just plain stupid. I'll let ye decide.

No, you do not find it offensive, you find it politically at odds with your interpretation of what is right and wrong. Offence has nothing to do with it and use of the word indicates a willingness to use left wing terminology to gain the moral high ground.

The omission of it from models designed to depict historical war machines is politically motivated and was up until not so long ago a normal requirement for makers of WWII models to indicate the symbolism used by the various machines of war. It was and still is, a purely knee jerk reaction dictated by the British Board of Deputies and other Jewish groups in their continuing attempt to control the minds of the public at large and airbrush out of history inconvenient imagery.

Your definition of a "white supremacist symbol" and that of a purely ethnic symbol are one of personal choice.
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