Originally Posted by david H:
Wowbanger why did you not work your way up and run things properly? You have many supporters.

I wondered that as well. He seems to prefer to snipe away from the sidelines, not very constructive and there are far too many people at it, while the country goes down the pan.:-)
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Originally Posted by whypatcondellisntfun:
Are we to assume then, that you have put your request in writing to the Chairman to have this matter placed on the agenda for the EGM? It is your constitutional right to do so.

I do not think it appropriate to discuss internal policy matters on an open forum before the members have had a chance to assess them. Suffice to say, I have opined my concerns to the highest levels within the BNP.

And it is his constitutional right to deny your request to put the discussion of your ideas even on the agenda of the meeting. If they are not on the agenda, why would they be discussed? Surely you must follow the constitutional rules:

Even if they do not make the agenda of the meeting, as an officer of the party I write a number of reports and recommendations concerning my region which are then presented for discussion at the Advisory Council. Of course like all members I have to abide by the constitution and rules of membership.


Section 13 (3) Constitution of the BNP

You may well have a lot of support for your idea, but is it on the agenda? And if it is, how many members do you know will support you who have been members for at least 3 consecutive years, because only those members can vote, you know.

Again that is an internal matter and not one for discussion prior to the EGM. I am well aware of which members are entitled to vote.

Also, and I can't be sure about this, but I'm assuming that the RWB meeting is an EGM (Emergency General Meeting) rather than a General Members Meeting. Are the rules different for EGMs? Who knows?

I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply I gave some moments ago.

How many leadership elections have there actually been since Griffin came to power? The BNP was formed in 1982. The first leadership election came in 1999 when Griffin took power. The next leadership election came in 2007 (Griffin Vs Jackson).

That is true, but there have been constant attempts by dissident groups within the party (aided by those outside) to constantly use the threat of an impending election as a catalyst to stoke up discontent to oust the elected leader who won by an overwhelming majority just two years ago.

I can find no other reference to a leadership election within the BNP. Am I missing something?

No you are correct in your prior assessment.

Auty did not get even as far as a leadership election, did he? So saying that leadership elections are used to "constantly" attack Griffin is simply not true.

Then you haven't been made aware of the shenanigans that have gone on within and without the party, especially on numerous internet sites. Auty is a decent man, but was used by people who in my view either wish to take the party back to the pre-Griffin wilderness years or cause dissension within it to evoke disruption.

Also, where is your proof of the "state and neo-nazi cranks" that have apparently triggered these "constant" leadership elections? Consider that many believe Griffin himself to be "state".

The proof is available for all those to see on such internet sites as Stormfront, where dissident hardliners constantly accuse Griffin of "watering down policies", "selling out" and using the party for financial gain. The people behind the Chris Jackson campaign are the old Tyndallite remnant of the BNP. Having said that some of them have behaved honourably and never disguised their views and desires. They also have the right to mount a challenge. But he mustered a mere 9.1% of the vote in 2006. Most people who have aligned themselves openly with the modernising and moderate wing of the party like myself have been accused of being state agents, alcoholics, financial fraudsters and all the other standard smears, regurgitated by the far left, Searchlight and indeed nutzis. NG just happens to be the best known.
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Originally Posted by david H:
Riaz(DC), while I respect your intelligence and your hard work, I do want you o bwe honest and admit that you have a pro-Muslim agenda. There is nothing necessarily wrong with that, but people need to know in order to plan or work together.

This verges on libel. What proof do you have that I have a pro-Muslim agenda?

DC supports freedom of religion and opposes Sharia law.
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
While we're on the subject of poorly thought out shenanigans by Griffin's gang.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this years RWB festival will be canceled at short notice.

Griffin knows that there are now significant numbers of people within the Party itching to use the event to build a network aimed at overthrowing him. Many have explicitly stated that that is exactly what they intend to do. There is even a reasonable chance of a nasty incident occurring some time during the proceedings, particularly at the EGM.

Especially if one of Griffin trusted lieutenants attempts to "spin" with the enabling act resolution a la Darby in Blackpool.

At the very best Griffin can expect to see a much thinner crowd missing some legendary warriors of old and graphically demonstrating the holes in the ranks.

All in all its a high risk situation for Griffin.

Much better to call the whole thing off and wait for a more auspicious day.

I think Griffin will be praying to Odin (apparently) that weather gives him an excuse to ditch the whole thing.

If that fails then a number of options are open to him to pull the plug. Favorite would be to get the authorities to do it for him, maybe on "security" grounds or through a failure to get a license of some sort. However as a last resort he can always claim that credible threats of far left violence forced him to shut up shop. Although that would be a little thin even for Nick.

Interesting that advance tickets are not on sale this year. Saves all that bother of reimbursing the disappointed punters? I believe this to be the first time the BNP has ever turned down cash up front and that makes me wonder....

The RWB will go ahead I am sure of that and it will be bigger than ever before, this would also be in the interests of Nick even if it means a bit of scheming by malcontents which are very few. As for the police cancelling the event I dont think they have that power as its private land and I dont think they would give such a publicity coup to the BNP.

The EGM has been advertised as free of charge and for members who can show their membership card on the day. I have yet to see this significant number of people in the party, but then again you may know more than me sitting behind your computer and me going around the country to different meetings etc...
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Forgive me for saying this, Vortex, but first you say:

Originally Posted by Vortex:
I would like to see the BNP Advisory Council elected by the members, who would then have the mandate to conduct affairs on their behalf, with the leader accountable to the Advisory Council via the members who in turn elected them.

and then:

Originally Posted by Vortex:
The Advisory Council will have the option of voting the leader out. The BNP is a growing and evolving party. I stand by what I wrote and would like to see the constitutional changes that I have put forward here adopted by the party. It is a view I opine to my fellow members and one which enjoys some support.

and top it off with:

Originally Posted by Vortex:
I am known as a Griffinite on this forum and elsehwere. In fact I want further reform and modernisation. I believe that overall he is doing a good job amidst a lot of internal and external attacks, but I stand and fight my corner.

But when asked to "fight your corner" - and I only asked if you had exercised your constitutional right and followed the correct procedure to instigate the constitutional changes that you have already outlined for us on this board - you reply with:

Originally Posted by Vortex:
I do not think it appropriate to discuss internal policy matters on an open forum before the members have had a chance to assess them. Suffice to say, I have opined my concerns to the highest levels within the BNP.

You have already discussed the matters (borderline heretical ideas for change, I might add!) on an open forum, all that is left now is to formally put your ideas to the members at large. Alternatively, I suppose the Chairman may have the authority to simply change the structure of the Party Leadership on a whim and as he sees fit, the Constitution seems to give him the right to do so. So "opining" might have some sort of effect.

If you actually want BNP members to have a say in how the BNP leadership is run you have to propose a change to the Chairman (as per Section 13 (3) of the Constitution of the BNP) and ask nicely if he will put it onto the Agenda of the meeting, and then put your ideas to the vote.

What else is there to it? You have an idea that you think will improve the BNP. Why not "opine" your case to the members themselves at the EGM. Or is that not worth the hassle? Perhaps they will think you are a state asset or lefty infiltrator? Is that what you are afraid of?
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Originally Posted by Vortex:
Most people who have aligned themselves openly with the modernising and moderate wing of the party like myself have been accused of being state agents, alcoholics, financial fraudsters and all the other standard smears, regurgitated by the far left, Searchlight and indeed nutzis. NG just happens to be the best known.[/b]

So I am to take from this that Griffin is part of a modernising moderate wing of the BNP?

What moderising moderate influence has Griffin brought to the BNP after nearly 9 whole years at the helm?

In comparison, Tony Blair over in the Labour camp beat 2 contenders to become leader in fair democratic and transparent elections in 1994. A year later Blair proposed major changes to Clause IV of the Labour Party Constitution which were democratically adopted by the party membership. Blair took "New Labour" into government in 1997. The whole process took a smidgen over 3 years in a party that is far larger and far older than the BNP.

Griffin is in the constitutionally guaranteed position to do what he wants with regards to moderisation of the BNP without having to listen to the "Tyndallites". He has had 9 whole years to change the BNP... Where has the time gone?
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Riaz, many of your posts give me that impression. Why should I not ask a polite question?
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Originally Posted by david H:
Riaz, many of your posts give me that impression. Why should I not ask a polite question?

I'm sorry to say that this time you are barking up the wrong tree.

It takes a lot of courage to stand up and say that ethnic Muslims in Britain are by and large poor quality people that do not benefit this nation in any way. I happen to have said this...
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Welcome to "Subjective Bigot". This is the gameshow where you get to say what you like without any objective evidence to prove your accusations.

Later on in the show we'll be talking to people who think homosexuals caused AIDS and can't be trusted to raise children, that Jews deserved to die in the "so-called" holocaust (we all know it was faked, just talk to Nick Griffin) because they had a secret plan to control the media and turn Germany into a Jewish state, and that black people are more likely to be criminals because their brains are a different size to that of white folk.

If you want to take part in this show, call 1-800-DIM-WIT now, our specially trained call team will speak to you and if you pass our bigot test you'll be sure to get on the show. Good luck with that.

But for now, lets get back to our first contestant Dissident Congress. Dissident Congress just loves "Promoting Populist Patriotism", but let's hear what he has to say about those pesky Muslims....

Originally Posted by Dissident Congress:
It takes a lot of courage to stand up and say that ethnic Muslims in Britain are by and large poor quality people that do not benefit this nation in any way. I happen to have said this...

Congratulations!!! Courageous Dissident Congress has started the show with a 50 pointer!!! Our hostess with the most-est will keep us up-to-date with scores as we go along!


Certainly, it seems Dissident Congress believes it is "Our Nation - Our People - Our Heritage - Our Future", as long as you ain't Muslim, that is! What a wonderful brave bigot he is.

What a great opening for the show. Can anyone top it I wonder...
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Originally Posted by whypatcondellisntfun:
Welcome to "Subjective Bigot". This is the gameshow where you get to say what you like without any objective evidence to prove your accusations.

Later on in the show we'll be talking to people who think homosexuals caused AIDS and can't be trusted to raise children, that Jews deserved to die in the "so-called" holocaust (we all know it was faked, just talk to Nick Griffin) because they had a secret plan to control the media and turn Germany into a Jewish state, and that black people are more likely to be criminals because their brains are a different size to that of white folk.

If you want to take part in this show, call 1-800-DIM-WIT now, our specially trained call team will speak to you and if you pass our bigot test you'll be sure to get on the show. Good luck with that.

But for now, lets get back to our first contestant Dissident Congress. Dissident Congress just loves "Promoting Populist Patriotism", but let's hear what he has to say about those pesky Muslims....



Congratulations!!! Courageous Dissident Congress has started the show with a 50 pointer!!! Our hostess with the most-est will keep us up-to-date with scores as we go along!

Certainly, it seems Dissident Congress believes it is "Our Nation - Our People - Our Heritage - Our Future", as long as you ain't Muslim, that is! What a wonderful brave bigot he is.

What a great opening for the show. Can anyone top it I wonder...

So liberals love Muslims and nationalists hate them?

Well that is a big lie as most liberals hate all religions and cultures. Liberals are happy for people to wear religious symbols and wear cultural clothing as long as they don’t practice there faith or form a strong community. It is not enough that liberals hate Muslims in Britain they believe that all Muslim states are barbaric and need to be made better. Liberals are selfish, racist and have no respect for others unless they are also liberal. The liberal media love to condemn the Muslim community and show them as violent dangerous individuals when they don’t conform to liberalism.

Fact: The black community has greater involvement in knife attacks despite the fact they make up a small part of the population with the white community being the greatest victims.
Over half of young knife suspects are black, Scotland Yard figures reveal | Mail Online

Fact: Foreigners commit fifth of crime in London.
Foreigners 'commit fifth of crime in London' - Telegraph

Pointing out the facts is not racist and people just wont talk about it or pretends it does not exist. You can call us names but you can’t hide the facts and you can not pretend that liberals really believe in celebrating other cultures as they are only celebrating there empty shells.
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