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The Bear 08:17 AM 23-07-2008
Would guess that being kicked out of the BNP for violence must be like having being expelled from the Gestapo for anti-Semitism.

Ex-BNP man found hanged near Burnley pub (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Luke Smith, 26, of Brun-shaw Road, was found dead on a path leading from Yorkshire Street, near the Princess Royal Pub, to the canal around 4.30pm on Sunday.

The convicted football hooligan, who was forced to resign as a councillor after continued allegations of violence, was said to have been suffering psychological problems when he appeared in court last Monday charged with assault.

Oh dear. Tut Tut. How sad.

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whypatcondellisntfun 09:40 AM 23-07-2008

Originally Posted by The Bear:
The convicted football hooligan, who was forced to resign as a councillor after continued allegations of violence, was said to have been suffering psychological problems when he appeared in court last Monday charged with assault.

Oh dear. Tut Tut. How sad.

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I don't think you could be any more crass and insensitive if you tried.

The man was a human being with mental health (and I hear from elsewhere he had drug problems) problems, and much as I dislike the BNP, I don't make a point of reveling in the sad death of a man who took his own life.

Have you no shame or are you simply trying to court controversy?
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Seasider 09:47 AM 23-07-2008

Originally Posted by The Bear:
Would guess that being kicked out of the BNP for violence must be like having being expelled from the Gestapo for anti-Semitism.

Ex-BNP man found hanged near Burnley pub (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Luke Smith, 26, of Brun-shaw Road, was found dead on a path leading from Yorkshire Street, near the Princess Royal Pub, to the canal around 4.30pm on Sunday.

The convicted football hooligan, who was forced to resign as a councillor after continued allegations of violence, was said to have been suffering psychological problems when he appeared in court last Monday charged with assault.

Oh dear. Tut Tut. How sad.

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Your streak of nastiness knows no bounds does it Bear?
Was there any need to make such a gloating post?

Whilst I would never condone some of this young man's past behaviour, in no way has it warranted such an untimely death.
You pass judgement as if you were the Lord High Executioner himself and no doubt your self imposed role as Witch Finder General gives you pleasure when hunting down in your mind those evil nasty British National Party members.
Shame on you.

The death of any young man is a tragedy.

May you rest in peace now Luke Smith and my condolences to your family
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whypatcondellisntfun 09:56 AM 23-07-2008

Originally Posted by Seasider:
Your streak of nastiness knows no bounds does it Bear?
Was there any need to make such a gloating post?

Whilst I would never condone some of this young man's past behaviour, in no way has it warranted such an untimely death.
You pass judgement as if you were the Lord High Executioner himself and no doubt your self imposed role as Witch Finder General gives you pleasure when hunting down in your mind those evil nasty British National Party members.
Shame on you.

The death of any young man is a tragedy.

May you rest in peace now Luke Smith and my condolences to your family

Couldn't agree more.
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The Bear 11:00 AM 23-07-2008
If you have a rabid dog you put it down.

If an individual acts as a rabid dog and puts himself down I see no problem.

If that offends sensitivities then there you go.

In this case a guy who was so extreme that even the BNP wouldn’t have him in its ranks

I loved the quote attributed to his uncle

“He was a lovely, lovely lad who, like a lot of people, was just too sensitive to exist in what is effectively an extremely cruel world.”

It is precisely because of people like him that contribute so much toward making it an extremely cruel world!

I do feel some sympathy for his family, though I have no idea to what extent his family were party to trying to stop him being a brutal thug or to what extent his family were role models, nonetheless the loss of a close relative is never easy.

The fact remains however that we are one brutal thug less on the streets.

I do wonder if an Asian guy with a similar background had topped himself TUS would have been gloating about there being one less.

Quite a lot is my guess based on the howls of outrage when one of theirs was put down in a case of what I contend was not manslaughter, but actually justifiable manslaughter.
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Little Englander (sour) 11:22 AM 23-07-2008
If it turns out that he was lynched and did not commit suicide, you will look even more crass and insensitive than you already sound.
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whypatcondellisntfun 11:23 AM 23-07-2008

Originally Posted by The Bear:
In this case a guy who was so extreme that even the BNP wouldn’t have him in its ranks

He apparently had mental health problems, something I would assume was beyond his control and something which I would have hoped medical intervention should have helped him overcome.

If a person is ill, you send them to a doctor, you don't put them down like you would a "rabid dog".

Originally Posted by The Bear:
It is precisely because of people like him that contribute so much toward making it an extremely cruel world!

What an interesting comment coming from a man who has shown glee and made a cruel and unnecessary comment about the death of a fellow human being, managing to spare a thought for his family only when called out by other members of this forum.

It is so easy to point the finger of blame elsewhere when talking about how cruel the world is whilst lacking any introspective capacity as to the harm ones own actions might cause.

Apparently it was Ghandi who said "If you want to change the world, first change yourself".

Perhaps we should think about that for a little while.
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whypatcondellisntfun 11:28 AM 23-07-2008

Originally Posted by Little Englander (sour):
If it turns out that he was lynched and did not commit suicide, you will look even more crass and insensitive than you already sound.

I've seen no reports of lynching, though I've seen multiple reports of suicide, coupled with depression and drug problems.

UK Indymedia - Former Burnley BNP councillor Luke Smith found dead

I hope he has found peace.
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Wessexman 12:38 PM 23-07-2008
I must say Bear if he had psychological problems it is a sad thing and nothing to be gloated on.
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Wowbanger TIP 12:47 PM 23-07-2008

Originally Posted by The Bear:
Would guess that being kicked out of the BNP for violence must be like having being expelled from the Gestapo for anti-Semitism.

Ex-BNP man found hanged near Burnley pub (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Luke Smith, 26, of Brun-shaw Road, was found dead on a path leading from Yorkshire Street, near the Princess Royal Pub, to the canal around 4.30pm on Sunday.

The convicted football hooligan, who was forced to resign as a councillor after continued allegations of violence, was said to have been suffering psychological problems when he appeared in court last Monday charged with assault.

Oh dear. Tut Tut. How sad.

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I'm no fan of the BNP but this is just wrong.

The BNP is not capable of violence, if it was I doubt I would dare write what I do since they know who I am and were I live. The average member is a middle aged reasonably educated parent rightly sickened by what has been inflicted on their local area by their own government, not a skinhead thug.

Searchlight might be right about Griffin and his mates views but their is very little evidence for their claim the Party is full of thugs.

Thugs do not join groups committed to democratic change, they do not stand in elections and they do not get off their arses and take part in the tedious business of campaigning for office.

The BNP is far more frequently the victim of violence than the perpetrators of it. This is usually from ethnic minorities or people who think the BNP are literally bent on gassing people driven into a frenzy of terror because they have had a poorly printed leaflet through their letterbox. More seriously they have been targeted by real political thugs organized by the very near relatives of Searchlight. Elements of the Trade Union movement or Far Left groups have been known to go to extraordinary lengths to launch meticulously planned premeditated armed attacks on individuals who are usually more the victims of Griffin than supporters of him.

ANTIFA ENGLAND

Another organisation FashWatch was even more explicit in its threats to physically attack people for simply being members of a political Party. It seems that they have realized their efforts were counter productive and have removed their website.

In reality such organizations rarely go as far as to actually physically confront BNP members except when they have the advantage of odds of around 25:1. They have though resorted to cowardly anonymous threats, including in a least one case I know of personally, against the children of a BNP candidate, to petty vandalism of peoples property and to making false allegations to the authorities (pretty funny from "anarchists"). This kind of low level thuggery is encountered routinely by people prepared to stand as candidates for the Party.
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