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Ea of Dune 03:34 PM 29-07-2008
Looks like that creepy little weasel Millipead is eyeing up the role of PM and taking Gordon McGabe Broon on this Autumn.

David Miliband and Harriet Harman draw up plans to challenge Brown in leadership election - Times Online

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David Miliband and Harriet Harman are preparing the ground for a leadership election, Times Online can reveal.

Many in the Labour party now believe that a revolt against Gordon Brown is highly likely, with the probability that it will take place at the start of September.

A number of ministers are considering standing down in early Autumn, possibly refusing to serve in a Brown reshuffle, it was reported by The Times today

It is alleged that Ms Harman was spotted on Thursday night, watching the scale of Labour's defeat in the Glasgow East by-election on the television, telling aides "this is my moment". This comes despite public protestations of loyalty from Labour's deputy leader, who is "minding the shop" in Downing Street this week while Mr Brown is on holiday.

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"I think most people have accepted that it is over and only a handful of people in Downing Street are trying to stop anything happening," said a senior government source.

Friends of James Purnell, the Work and Pensions Secretary, have confirmed that he has reached an agreement with David Miliband so that he would represent the Blairites in any contest. He is understood to have been quietly sounding out colleagues about a Miliband candidacy.

Senior party figures are urging Alan Johnson to agree to serve as Mr Miliband's deputy in a so-called "dream ticket".

The operation to canvass support for the Foreign Secretary includes senior Labour figures in the Lords, who have been contacting peers to prepare the ground for a bid. He is believed to be the best hope for the Blairite wing of the party, despite his failure to challenge Mr Brown for the leadership last year.

Meanwhile Ms Harman's private speech to the National Policy Forum in Warwick on Saturday night was seen as a bid for the leadership.

As well as making jokes at the expense of Jack Straw, another possible contender, she laid out the need to put equality and fairness at the centre of the Labour government - believed to be the centrepiece of any campaign.

Labour sources believe she has a serious chance of becoming leader if a contest is held. "The public do not have a say in any contest, just the Labour Party, and people easily forget she won the last time a vote was held. She has quietly been working on the unions, with her husband Jack Dromey, and is popular amongst the membership, as well as having the backing of a large number of MPs."

There are fears in Labour circles that up to six candidates could stand - like the deputy leadership contest - because the signatures of only 45 MPs are needed to enter the race. However, one source believes that the race would fold down into a contest between Ms Harman and Mr Miliband.

Mr Brown's performance at the National Policy Forum on Friday lunchtime, where he talked at length about India and China and the significance of the iPod, made by US giant Apple, is being spoken about as the event that convinced some they had reached the point of no return.

The most significant outcome of the Forum - which was meant to agree an agenda for the next Labour manifesto - was an agreement with the unions to sit down again in the next 18 months. This is because union leaders think there is little point in negotiating with Mr Brown before the next election.

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Internationalist 03:53 PM 29-07-2008
In politics I suppose people believe they have to take their chances when they can. Tactical considerations come into play here for possible leadership contenders.

If a contest arises then Miliband might feel compelled to enter the race. However, he would be up against some party stalwarts and if he did win it might mean leading the party to defeat in a general election. It would be far better for him to let Brown take the defeat and come in fresh after an election as the undisputed leader from the next generation.

For some of the older ones though they might feel that their chances are better now. A reassuring figure in difficult times might just sell at this point, whereas post-election the party might be looking to clean out the dead wood.

Incidentally, I don't think Miliband is 'creepy'. Accepting that few here are going to share his politics, he is still a talented politician nevertheless.
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Ea of Dune 03:58 PM 29-07-2008
Unionist> I think Jack Straw will have a pop at it. For a start if Labour are shoved out into the wilderness for 10 years or more he will be too old to have a pop at the role of party leader.
His last chance is now, and even if the party lose at the next GE he will blame it on Brown at any rate. The benefits for him of course are massive. Even if only 18 months in office come to pass he will get the fat pension and other perks that come with being the PM.

As for Milliband, I can't stand him, he reminds me of Gollum from LoTR, skulking around in the shadows plotting and what not :-).

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Internationalist 04:08 PM 29-07-2008

Originally Posted by Ea of Dune:
As for Milliband, I can't stand him, he reminds me of Gollum from LoTR, skulking around in the shadows plotting and what not :-)

Isn't that what politicians do generally? :-)
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brian pearson 07:35 PM 29-07-2008

Originally Posted by Unionist:

Incidentally, I don't think Miliband is 'creepy'. Accepting that few here are going to share his politics, he is still a talented politician nevertheless.

'Talented politician'. There lies the problem! Another career politician.

Says the 'right' things....does the 'right' things.....never done owt in the real world. Flaming robot!
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Ea of Dune 02:42 PM 30-07-2008
Here is some more on the story:

Who should be the next Labour leader? - Telegraph

Gordon Brown allies hit back at David Miliband - Telegraph

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Looks like Milliband may well have a go for it. It would make me very happy to see Brown booted out after managing about a year and a half in office and making a complete bloody mess of it.
Perhaps then Millipede can take over and be the captain that goes down with the ship. We will then hopefully never see the skulking ******* on these shores again, which will be good considering he was involved in the Lisbon sell out.

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Internationalist 03:12 PM 30-07-2008

Originally Posted by brian pearson:
'Talented politician'. There lies the problem! Another career politician.

Says the 'right' things....does the 'right' things.....never done owt in the real world. Flaming robot!

I meant that he is a politician who is talented, not that his talent is as a politician (though presumably that is true too).

He worked for the Institute for Public Policy Research for some years and was also secretary (IIRC) to the Commission on Social Justice, the main report of which was instrumental in setting the groundwork for reform in the Labour party even before Blair took over. He then spent six years as head of the Downing Street Policy Unit. He is someone who understands policy issues better than most politicians.

Parliament is stuffed full of lawyers and trade union hacks. I don't see that their experience is necessarily more valid. You need different skills in parliament and Miliband has important skills to offer as well as an intellectual capability that is much higher than the parliamentary average, I would suggest.

Sometimes you have to recognise people's personal and intellectual qualities even if you disagree with their views.
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brian pearson 04:10 PM 30-07-2008

Originally Posted by Unionist:
I meant that he is a politician who is talented, not that his talent is as a politician (though presumably that is true too).

He worked for the Institute for Public Policy Research for some years and was also secretary (IIRC) to the Commission on Social Justice, the main report of which was instrumental in setting the groundwork for reform in the Labour party even before Blair took over. He then spent six years as head of the Downing Street Policy Unit. He is someone who understands policy issues better than most politicians.

Parliament is stuffed full of lawyers and trade union hacks. I don't see that their experience is necessarily more valid. You need different skills in parliament and Miliband has important skills to offer as well as an intellectual capability that is much higher than the parliamentary average, I would suggest.

Sometimes you have to recognise people's personal and intellectual qualities even if you disagree with their views.

Public policy research...commision on social justice.....Downing street policy unit..

So, is that it? Out of Uni and into poitics. Never started a business. Never generated wealth. Just lived in the surreal world of New Labour.

I'd rather have a small businesman or housewife in charge. Someone who would make common sense decisions because they live in the real world. Not some robotic, over intellectual carear poitician who overcomplicates everything and is happy to sign our country away.

Put white van man in charge. Anybody but that weasel.
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Internationalist 03:13 PM 06-08-2008
More on this story in today's Telegraph:

David Miliband lines up Alan Milburn as Chancellor as leadership plot gathers pace

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The Foreign Secretary has held private talks with the "ultra Blairite" former health secretary about taking a senior role in a Miliband Government.

In a sign that his plans to become Labour leader are at an advanced stage, Mr Miliband has told friends that Mr Milburn, a hate figure for many of Mr Brown's allies, would play a central role in trying to revive the Government's fortunes.

Mr Milburn, a former Health Secretary who has been critical of Mr Brown's leadership, is understood to have told Mr Miliband he would be happy to accept the Treasury.

Mr Miliband has emerged as a potential challenger to Mr Brown's fragile authority after last week outlining his personal manifesto for reviving Labour and repeatedly refusing to rule out a bid to oust the Prime Minister.

The revelation of Mr Milburn's agreement with Mr Miliband is likely to infuriate Mr Brown.
It is the clearest sign yet of how advanced the Foreign Secretary's plans are, despite his public claims that he is not running a leadership campaign.

This would be good news for the Progress group within the Labour party.
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C_steam 04:26 PM 06-08-2008
My moneys on harman. wiliam Hill have her at 7:1, good odds IMHO.
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