Originally Posted by blueblood1920:
What makes you say that? We have already been told that our current membership is just shy of 10,000 so by the end of 2008 am sure we will be there.

Dont expect anyone to believe me though as people dont but I keep being proven right at the end. Hartlepool hiding away after her stupid idiotic statements on BNP membership figures?

The fall out from December for a start. Many people didn't renew their membership after that and many more will not renew for 2009. Especially if this four year rule nonsense gets pushed through.
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Originally Posted by Hunter:
Wowbanger knows this BB, as does everyone else. Just shows how much true depth is put into their belief in this democratic system we live in. I don't recall anybody mouthing off about the rights of individuals who have been attacked for their political beliefs (except a certain grunt known as the Bear - who doesn't really count) yet they squeal like stuck pigs whenever a BNP member/supporter wins an argument against them.

Remember that there are some on this forum who would have us banned for the same reason - nothing else. So much for free speech....

And there goes the 'nazi' tag again. Having been a member of the BNP Wowbanger, were you ever persuaded to don a nazi uniform and salute pictures of Hitler? Did you ever witness anyone doing this? Did you ever walk around shouting obscenities at non-whites just for the fun of it? Or did you ever take part in a black mass where babies were sacrificed to whatever gods were in favour at the time?

Probably not! So why point the finger at anyone else if you know it isn't true.

Several times Searchlight have 'quoted ex-BNP' members with this sort of trash. I hope you're not one of 'them'....:-)

Mark Collett told me the BNP was a fascist organisation in person. I believe many aspects of the Party leaderships behavior, not least their previous pronouncements on the subject, are only explicable in the context of them holding fascist beliefs.

Griffin is forever branding his enemies Nazis he could hardly do that if they were not in the Party, whether you want to admit it or not National Socialism, as it is refered to in the Party, is widespread. Five minutes on SF will demonstrate this to anyones satisfaction.

For the BNP to even complain about the erosion of democracy, or any values associated with it, is ludicrous given the current state of the Party.

Searchlight can quote me all they want. What you need to ask yourself is why so many members are happy to say the same.
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
Mark Collett told me the BNP was a fascist organisation in person. I believe many aspects of the Party leaderships behavior, not least their previous pronouncements on the subject, are only explicable in the context of them holding fascist beliefs.

Griffin is forever branding his enemies Nazis he could hardly do that if they were not in the Party, whether you want to admit it or not National Socialism, as it is refered to in the Party, is widespread. Five minutes on SF will demonstrate this to anyones satisfaction.

For the BNP to even complain about the erosion of democracy, or any values associated with it, is ludicrous given the current state of the Party.

Searchlight can quote me all they want. What you need to ask yourself is why so many members are happy to say the same.

How many members do you think want Gordon Brown out of the labour party but a leadership challenge has not taken place?

Many conservatives don’t like many of David Cameron’s policies but believe he is a good leader.

Not every member will be happy with there leader or believe in the things they say, commonly resulting in members moving from party to party. It is front page news when labour members talked about the parties future without Gordon Brown and even rumours that these members will be punished for there comments.

When you say “Mark Collett told me the BNP was a fascist organisation in person” was this elaborated on as fascist has many meanings and many of them are good?

As part of the original fascist manifesto the voting for women (which was opposed by most other European nations) was intraduced, Representation at government level of newly created National Councils by economic sector, A minimum wage, A peaceful but competitive foreign policy, Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

See the Fascist manifesto:
Fascist manifesto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See the lack of present definition for the term fascist:
Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
Mark Collett told me the BNP was a fascist organisation in person.

Well he would do wouldn't he?

I am sure Mr. M. Collett would like to think he was

a) the centre of the universe
b) the BNP satellited around him
c) that the whole party was 'Just Like Him'



I am sure his pronouncements are a triumph of hope and lies, over reality and fact.
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Originally Posted by The Nationalist:
How many members do you think want Gordon Brown out of the labour party but a leadership challenge has not taken place?

Many conservatives don’t like many of David Cameron’s policies but believe he is a good leader.

Not every member will be happy with there leader or believe in the things they say, commonly resulting in members moving from party to party. It is front page news when labour members talked about the parties future without Gordon Brown and even rumours that these members will be punished for there comments.

When you say “Mark Collett told me the BNP was a fascist organisation in person” was this elaborated on as fascist has many meanings and many of them are good?

As part of the original fascist manifesto the voting for women (which was opposed by most other European nations) was intraduced, Representation at government level of newly created National Councils by economic sector, A minimum wage, A peaceful but competitive foreign policy, Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

See the Fascist manifesto:
Fascist manifesto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See the lack of present definition for the term fascist:
Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah I'm sure Mark "Asylum seekers are cockroaches, Adolf Hitler will live forever and so will I" Collett was thinking of retirement age when he said that the fascist symbol the fasces was appropriate for the BNP.:-)

As for the rest of your characterization of fascism, you are surely joking? Peaceful but competitive foreign policy? Jesus.

Representation at government level? I can't say my historical knowledge of fascist regimes is comprehensive but I don't recall any of them submitting to a democratic process once installed.

It is not 1922 it is 2008 and history is what it is. When people talk about fascism they do so in the context of that history not in the context of ancient Italian political theory. No-one stumbles on a copy of the Fascist Manifesto and thinks "wow this sounds great" they learn the conventional account of history and think "hey these ******** sound like me". And 99 times out of 100 what initially attracts people to fascism is the "final solution".

There is a bit of a difference between a Conservative who thinks Dave's a bit wet or a Labour member who thinks Gordon is an electoral liability and a BNP member who thinks their leader looks to some of history's most notorious monsters for inspiration. I seriously believe that if in some bizarre parallel universe Griffin got hold of the British State the result would be, at the very least, hundreds of thousands of deaths.

If your happy to defend fascism then do so. What I object to is the BNP constantly complaining about being identified as Nazis when that is exactly what they are. I also object to their misrepresentation of themselves as democrats and defenders of liberty when in fact nothing could be further from the truth. By doing so they are praying on the gullible and occupying political territory which could be used by decent people as well as effectively admitting that their actual beliefs are unacceptable to reasonable people.
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Originally Posted by Seasider:
Well he would do wouldn't he?

I am sure Mr. M. Collett would like to think he was

a) the centre of the universe
b) the BNP satellited around him
c) that the whole party was 'Just Like Him'



I am sure his pronouncements are a triumph of hope and lies, over reality and fact.

Sorry but I don't think we can assume that this is just a Collett problem. His views are known by all including Griffin and the fact he hasn't been cast into the outer darkness with a boot print on his **** is an explicit endorsement of those views by Griffin.

I believe that Collett is so under the control of Griffin that it is impossible that he could have independently arrived at the views he holds. It must be assumed that what Collett says is what Griffin thinks.

Add this to the Griffin's past pronouncements and the fact that almost none of the Party leadership have avoided being nailed as compromised and the unavoidable conclusion is that they are a gang of Nazi scum being "politically expedient" as I believe the phrase is.

This is no paranoid fantasy, take a look at StormFront UK, unofficial official BNP forum, on which half the BNP leadership post regularly including Griffin, and you will see this argument deployed continuously.
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
Mark Collett told me the BNP was a fascist organisation in person. I believe many aspects of the Party leaderships behavior, not least their previous pronouncements on the subject, are only explicable in the context of them holding fascist beliefs.

Griffin is forever branding his enemies Nazis he could hardly do that if they were not in the Party, whether you want to admit it or not National Socialism, as it is refered to in the Party, is widespread. Five minutes on SF will demonstrate this to anyones satisfaction.

For the BNP to even complain about the erosion of democracy, or any values associated with it, is ludicrous given the current state of the Party.

Searchlight can quote me all they want. What you need to ask yourself is why so many members are happy to say the same.

Are you telling us that you believe everything Mark Collett says? I haven't met the guy yet, but everything that is reported about him gives the impression that he is a maverick. What goes on behind the scenes at the BNP (or any other Party for that matter - particularly UKIP given the postings on this forum) is usually down to personalities. If a Party has to rely on the ego's of some individuals, then the Party concerned is in deep, deep trouble.

If Mark Collett or Nick Griffin disappeared tomorrow, the Party would continue to move on (as the UKIP would do were NF to vanish), probably with little difference or, in many cases, notice. Why? Because it is people like you and me, the footsoldiers and activists, who make the Party, not the leaders. A charismatic person at the helm will make a big difference, but is not the be-all and end-all of life as we know it. Policy is dictated by what is most needed to make a difference to the electorate. Anyone who ignores this commits political suicide, as NuLabour have managed to do. So at the end of the day, no matter who is in charge, if the grassroots of a Party doesn't hold together, then the Party will soon cease to exist.

Sometimes the Leadership forget this and lose touch with what is going on at our level. I met Nick Griffin last night, and was impressed by his easy going manner and his willingness to talk to anyone. Any hint of the beliefs you talk about were either well hidden, or just don't exist anymore.

After all, people are allowed to change their minds and opinions on subjects. Or don't you believe that's possible?
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Originally Posted by Hunter:
Are you telling us that you believe everything Mark Collett says? I haven't met the guy yet, but everything that is reported about him gives the impression that he is a maverick. What goes on behind the scenes at the BNP (or any other Party for that matter - particularly UKIP given the postings on this forum) is usually down to personalities. If a Party has to rely on the ego's of some individuals, then the Party concerned is in deep, deep trouble.

If Mark Collett or Nick Griffin disappeared tomorrow, the Party would continue to move on (as the UKIP would do were NF to vanish), probably with little difference or, in many cases, notice. Why? Because it is people like you and me, the footsoldiers and activists, who make the Party, not the leaders. A charismatic person at the helm will make a big difference, but is not the be-all and end-all of life as we know it. Policy is dictated by what is most needed to make a difference to the electorate. Anyone who ignores this commits political suicide, as NuLabour have managed to do. So at the end of the day, no matter who is in charge, if the grassroots of a Party doesn't hold together, then the Party will soon cease to exist.

Sometimes the Leadership forget this and lose touch with what is going on at our level. I met Nick Griffin last night, and was impressed by his easy going manner and his willingness to talk to anyone. Any hint of the beliefs you talk about were either well hidden, or just don't exist anymore.

After all, people are allowed to change their minds and opinions on subjects. Or don't you believe that's possible?

You looked into Nicks eyes and now you are under his evil spell, what ever you write they wont take any notice of you as they have their own agenda and they are set on achieving that. I and you are in the party and we can see and experience what is going on first hand, I know that things are going very good indeed and that I cant wait to see peoples faces when the 2008 accounts are published.
Our meeting last night just shows the party going from strength to strength, a city that the left and Labour thought they had an iron grip on and would never see a strong 'fascist' presence. Morale is now sky high, the members and supporters are fully behind the party and Nick and we will go on to achieve great things.
I dont sit behind a computer dreaming up fantasies, I get stuck in and talk to people, do things and help out when ever I can. I can now get good reliable information and make doog educated opinions on what is happening in the party instead of dreaming up fantasies on the internet like some of the rejects the nobodies that spend their life attacking the party and the leadership on forums.
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lol Blueblood. I might spend all my time attacking the Party and leadership on the internet but I fail to see how spending all your time defending it is in anyway superior. Especially when you take such a comprehensive caning. What a pity Purging the Droid can't take time out from his attempts to recruit the members of StormFront to give you a hand eh.

Glad to hear you and your twenty activists have the Establishment of Liverpool so terrified. When exactly to you expect to return your first councilor (out of ninety odd is it?) or are you going straight for an MP?
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I'm starting to get the impression that blueblood is state.
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