Originally Posted by alfred the great:
Bear you need to make your mind up were you stand.Ante islam as an ideology ,puts you in dodgy territory,After all its only the BNP thats opposing whats going,Some of us on here cant work you out mate.Make your mind up son,are you in or out.

Alfred, you just reminded me of one of the great leaders of our times when he coined a great phase regarding international diplomacy:-


Ahem.

Now, The Bear may not agree with you on certain things. But that doesn't mean he cannot share an opinion with you on other things. Insisting that he is either "in" or "out" of a certain clique based only on his opinion on immigration or Islam is a bit too, erm, black and white (for want of a better phrase) for me.

Why can there not be shades of grey? Or as Nick Griffin (or even The Bear) might say, something coffee-coloured?
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This is the most racist comment I have ever heard from a BNP member but it does line up with observations:

Over half of young knife suspects are black, Scotland Yard figures reveal
Over half of young knife suspects are black, Scotland Yard figures reveal | Mail Online

This report presents the findings from the 2003 Offending, Crime and Justice Survey (OCJS) on the experiences of respondents from different ethnic groups. It examines levels of self-reported offending, anti-social and other problem behaviours and drug use among different ethnic groups, and explores the extent to which different groups report contact with the criminal justice system.

Criminal justice statistics have consistently shown that people from certain minority ethnic groups are more likely to have contact with the system than White people. This ‘disproportionality’ has been debated widely. It has been suggested that these statistics reflect a greater involvement in crime among these ethnic groups.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/rdsolr3305.pdf

Racial IQ correlations
IQ - IQ correlations

Racial Differences in Intelligence: What Mainstream Science Says
Racial Differences in Intelligence: What Mainstream Science Says.

In the last 30 years, 170 million violent and non violent crimes were committed by Blacks against Whites in the U.S. Blacks under18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than Whites the same age.
High Numbers of Black on White Crime

I think that the data does show that crime of the black community is often higher and intelligence can change with ethnic groups but cultural and social factors are likely to play a role despite it being a world wide phenomena.
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Originally Posted by The Nationalist:
This is the most racist comment I have ever heard from a BNP member...

Tut tut. I should have thought you had better researching skills than that.

Mark Collet does a nice line in racism... in this one he is racist against immigrant "cockroaches" and he also tells us how he hates white politicians, and he also seems to be planning a fight of some description:


Or how about John Tyndall himself having a bash at the Jews and Africans?


Collett again having a go at a "dreadlocked white slag" amongst other racist comments.


Of course, I've not mentioned any links with white supremacist group National Alliance (Nick Cass and his giveaway "tree of life" tattoo), nor have I mentioned the anti-semitic booklet "Who are the mind benders?" written by non-other than Uber-Chairman Griffin himself. Those things, I'm sure, have been discussed elsewhere.

Originally Posted by The Nationalist:
I think that the data does show that crime of the black community is often higher and intelligence can change with ethnic groups but cultural and social factors are likely to play a role despite it being a world wide phenomena.

Here is what I think you really mean:

"Black people are stupid criminals and I think scientific evidence proves this but I'll hedge my bets by making a token gesture towards cultural and social factors"
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I never said that and in fact I pointed out it was a racist comment. In this case it was clearly to target a racial group.

I only pointed out that crime rates are higher in the Black community and intelligence can change from different racial groups along with the fact the white race are not the most intelligent. It was used in a negative way to target an ethnic group rather than just to discuss the differences.

I would not describe John Tyndall as being a member of the new BNP and he was replaced and chucked out of the party.
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Originally Posted by The Nationalist:
I would not describe John Tyndall as being a member of the new BNP and he was replaced and chucked out of the party.

You forgot to mention he was later re-admitted.
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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress:
You forgot to mention he was later re-admitted.

As John Tyndall died in 2005 it seems to be of little relevance.
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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress:
You forgot to mention he was later re-admitted.

At the time of his death I think he was an expelled member.
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Why do so many NuBNP types look down on John Tyndall? Without him as leader during the dark years of nationalism, there wouldn't be a BNP for NG to take over as leader in 1999?
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WPCIF, all you do is play on people's fears by showing selected examples of stupidity and extremism. Collet is a prat but neither he nor the others you use to scare us is planting bombs on London buses to kill and maim innocent people. This is widely supported by young Muslims and should be treated as an act of war.
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Originally Posted by The Nationalist:
I would not describe John Tyndall as being a member of the new BNP and he was replaced and chucked out of the party.

I note that you do not dispute that Tyndall was racist.

Watch the video again. You will see that Tyndall is giving a speech at an official BNP meeting, and is given a standing ovation by everybody present. A sure sign that they agree with what he says, don't you think? The year was 2004. So at least four years after Griffin took charge, Tyndall was still giving the star turn at BNP meetings, and that was only four years ago.

Nick Griffin worked with Tyndall at both the National Front, and later at the BNP where he edited the magazine "Spearhead". To say that John Tyndall and Nick Griffin are people with completely opposing views is a fallacy. One of them was clearly a mentor to the other. If Griffin found Tyndall so distasteful, why on earth did he work under him for a number of years in two separate organisations?

No. Griffin blatantly shares the ideals of Tyndall, he just has the wherewithal to disguise his prejudices with a thin veneer of respectability, but he cannot escape his past deeds which point to a long history of bigotry and racism which will not be whitewashed away with an attempt to remodel the BNP along the lines of New Labour (or, more aptly, the French party, Front National). Besides, we all know New Labour isn't so new anymore, Griffin has been in charge since 1999, if that is the point at which we are supposed to see the birth of New BNP, I fail to see how, upon detailed scrutiny, the policies of the BNP have changed any great deal in that time.

But let us put both Tyndall and Griffin aside. How do you explain the continued presence of Collet? A man who on at least 2 separate occasions, on national television, has claimed Hitler as an inspiration, with such self-effacing comments as:

Originally Posted by :
Hitler will live forever, maybe I will too

Collett is continual embarrassment to the BNP, and yet is still at the front of BNP operations, with the full support of Griffin and being paid a handsome sum for it to, by all accounts, when any other political leader would have had him out on his ear a long time ago. How can the "Young, Nazi and Proud" image of Collett be reconciled with New BNP?

It simply can't be.

To say that the BNP has undergone some sort of political rebirth by sweeping out all the old members, Tyndall included, is a fallacy. There are still links between the BNP and extremist organisations such as National Alliance. Nick Cass having a tattoo of the National Alliance logo on his arm notwithstanding, the fact that the BNP printed an obituary of William Pierce, the then leader of the National Alliance, on the BNP website, gives the game away:-

Originally Posted by :
We hope that those who are left, at such short notice, to carry on his work, will find ways to combine the principles for which Dr Pierce stood so firmly with tactical approaches which allow the white survival movement in the USA to take full advantage of the impending collapse of the liberal consensus

Sorry guys. The evidence against the BNP (New or Old, the only difference is the marketing) is simply overwhelming, whichever way you look at it. Feel free to carry on in self-denial though.
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