Originally Posted by The Bear:
Leo would have delighted in watching the thrashing in the tar pits those who hold views that he always found so abysmal especially since they were being caused by the realisation that Britain had moved on to being such a better place than it was when he first entered politics.

Abse is no longer in a position to be gloating about anything . . .
Now isn't that very heart warming?


Tar pits, eh?
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Originally Posted by The Bear:
You really should get out more.

That coming from a man who spends most of his time pontificating from a computer console in Norwich!:-)
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Originally Posted by Vortex:
That coming from a man who spends most of his time pontificating from a computer console in Norwich!:-)

AGAIN with the assumptions!

Apart from anything else don't forget that Schiphol's only really a few minutes away, London’s only a little over an hour and a half away by rail, and that’s just for starters!
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Originally Posted by The Bear:
Your bigotry not to mention your prejudice and ignorance is once more showing through, though on this occasion to a quite exceptional extent.

It is your bigotry and ignorance that once again is showing through, and the latter to such an extent that I nearly gave up on the tedious task of even responding.

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The Christian people that I refer to are members of what are generally known as “Low Churches”, typical of which are The Brethren, an intensely devout Christian fundamentalist church, and who have the belief that God made people, people made borders.

You mean 'dissenting' or 'non-conformist' or 'free' churches: 'low church' refers to a form of non-sacramental Anglicanism - at least to the rest of the world. And I've been in those circles for years, and I know full well that many Plymouth Brethren do not think that, though they might not draw attention to it publicly (there are large numbers of West Indians in Plymouth Brethren churches - at least in the 'Open' variety). I've heard PBs praise Enoch Powell's speech. Funny you never did, despite being raised in it :-)

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Maybe if you were to read Deuteronomy 10:17-19 you might reconsider who it is that’s ignorant?

How utterly typical of you Bear - to surface read something in which you think there is some comparison to what is happening now. Yes, Bear, I already knew the verses you had in mind - just a shame you are totally ignorant of the social and economic context within which aliens were allowed to sojourn among them.

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What staggering impertinence! Many of the difficulties and problems in Africa today are absolutely down to the way that colonial rule left a mess and especially borders established by the colonising powers and not the natural demarcation that the various African nations had established.

Whatever the evils of colonisation, there are two greater evils: one, pulling out too soon, as we did, leaving them unprepared leading to the shambles we see today, and two: never colonising them in the first place, and leaving them in their stone age primitive state.

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I’m not even going to bother with that racist rubbish since racist rubbish is what it amounts to.

Whatever. Of course you aren't going to bother - perhaps you can't answer?

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What’s that got to do with the creation of New Britain?

Answer the question and you'll find out.

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I’m not sure what it is that you’re “on” but it seems to be taking hold.

Actually hating a ethnic group to the point of wanting their erasure from the human family, and believing that multiracialism will bring some utopia, must be the most insane ideas anyone could possibly entertain.

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Racists are dinosaurs.

Racists are everywhere Bear, outside of your cacoon - in the West Indian community, the Indian community, the Pakistani community. But you are too naive and too sheltered to have ever noticed. Even if you eradicate it from whitey, you won't take the tribalism out of any other ethnic group - especially not after you and your ilk have been promoting it for so long. Oh but they don't have the evil racist gene mutation that whites have - they are only tribal because of the evil social construct of whiteness :-)
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