Its actually to late to do anything about the mess this country is in . If all the right of centre parties,ukip,bnp,all the little englanders,who i can understand. All the people that believe in discipline,respect for the law,love for our heritage,if they could all combine,we could reclaim this sceptered isle. But your torys, have done just as much damage to this country as newlabour.In the 18 years from 1979-1997,what was done about,law and order/and immigration. Indeed maggie thatcher ,would rarther break bread with a wealthy immigrant,than an ordinary peasant. Do you understand were i am coming from.Indeed anybody in the monday club.is just in a cosy club,for wealthy dissafected torys.
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I'd never heard of him before today. If he was a socialist he certainly wouldn't have been my cup of tea!
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Originally Posted by kernow:
I'd never heard of him before today. If he was a socialist he certainly wouldn't have been my cup of tea!

Nor mine, Socialism is a wicked ideology which encourages apathy and bone idleness, its supportrs expect the state to do everything for them.

The one thing it used to advocate that was worthwhilewas withdrwal from the EU in the early 1980s, of course once the socialists realised that Thatcher had won the main economic arguments and they were headed for destruction they quickly changed tact and joined the establishment
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Decriminalising homosexuality was probably a necessary move & someone had to do it. In the mood of those days it had to be a Private Member's Bill & the proposer happened to be Abse. In the late sixties Abse's name was synonymous with this legislation, although he has been somewhat forgotten about in recent years.

Prisons are congested enough without sending unlucky & otherwise harmless citizens to gaol, as happened occasionally when selected targets were entrapped in public lavatories by 'pretty policemen'.

Of course, since those days policemen have grown rather less pretty & there are fewer public lavatories anyway.

Two more changes for the worse.
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Originally Posted by Gregory Lauder-Frost:
Difficult to believe what I'm reading here - or is it deliberately provocative? Leo Abse was a socialist who was opposed to Britain as he found it - the Britain our ancestors fought for and created over two thousand years. He was a supporter of an alien ideology and introduced and supported socially and politcally destructive legislation into our holy island. He should be drawn and quartered and burnt.

Two thousand years ago? Think you'll find the Romans created Britain then.
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
Two thousand years ago? Think you'll find the Romans created Britain then.

The Romans never conquered most of Scotland, Wales or Ireland. I think you'll also find that the Romans were alongside the Celts and the Anglo Saxons, fellow Europeans with closely related racial characteristics. Therefore two thousands years of British history and culture is an appropriate term.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the word 'Britain' derive from the Roman province of Britannia, so in effect they did create a British identity?
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the word 'Britain' derive from the Roman province of Britannia, so in effect they did create a British identity?

No you are correct that the name Britannia was derived from the Romans. The point is "our" history is thousands of years old and is basically northern European, with a major input from the Romans, who of course are of fellow European stock.
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
Two thousand years ago? Think you'll find the Romans created Britain then.

Not quite. There was a population here prior to their arrival.
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Originally Posted by alfred the great:
Well gregory , thats a bit extreme. i was just trying to be objective. In replying to bear.What you have said could apply to many in the house of commons.BTW we stopped corporal punishment in the sixties. Even after 40 years of liberal brainwashing by the traitors, i still believe , most people would vote for it.BTW what are you doing in UKIP with views like that.

Well, everyone's perception of extreme is different. What is your solution for traitors? I suspect there are many members in the UKIP who differ in their views on a variety of subjects. But it seems to me that all objective policies will founder until we regain our national sovereignty.
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