Apart from me gatecrashing the poll of BNP members on here showed I think 6. Then, WPCIF, why do you keep telling the rest of us about Griffin's past comments? You are like someone with a guilty condscience trying to show that others are as bad as your community. Give us some dirt on Edmund Burke, Enoch, Lord Salisbury, I am feeling left out.
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Originally Posted by whypatcondellisntfun:
Nobody said it was 'normal' behaviour, did they? Obviously, if it was 'normal' for Muslims - or anyone - to do this sort of thing, there would be far more explosions going off, would they not? As for being "blameless", well, they committed no crime, so yes, they are in fact blameless regardless of your personal opinion on the matter.



Cottage was a grown man with connections with what some people call "the far right". He was caught red handed with...


Ex-BNP man faces explosives charge (From Burnley and Pendle Citizen)

I doubt these kids were in quite the same league as him. They were not part of a terrorist network. They had no political connections, and it seems the court accepted their explanation, one which is similar to the one Nick Griffin himself has used to defend the actions of Tony Lecomber

If it is acceptable for the BNP to have people who are actually convicted for bomb making working for it, I cannot see how any supporter of the BNP having a problem with two kids who were in effect doing the same thing as Nick Griffin claims that Tony Lecomber was up to.



Presumably those men, as with those about whom this thread is, faced a trial by jury. A jury who is made up of representatives of the community. I doubt they were all Muslim.



The principle is the same. He stood trial and if the system was, say, "Marxist" as the BNP would no doubt put it and biased against Nationalists, he would have gone down. He didn't. Therefore, you cannot on the one hand claim that the system works for Muslims but not for anyone else.



You attended the court case did you?

"The largest amount of chemical explosives of its type ever found", that would suggest that Cottage either had connections in BAe Systems or had a small amount of obscure explosive chemicals. Not that I know that for a fact.

He did indeed have connections with the BNP, and even deeper ones with the Tories neither of which organizations have ever, just as a random example, driven a 4x4 full of gas canisters into a provincial airport or anything like that. So I fail to see why that should have made his crime worse or these lads less culpable.

I'm not going to defend Griffin's support for people like Lecomber, that is impossible. However there if he had been convicted in Leeds that would have effectively extended the blasphemy law to Islam, a retrograde step for a supposedly civilized and free society.
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By Omar Bakri, I shouldn't wonder.
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Originally Posted by whypatcondellisntfun:
How peculiar. Why then, in the 2005 manifesto, does it say this:-


BNP 2005 Manifesto - Page 22

Has the BNP as an organisation undergone a major religious transformation since 2005? No. At the very recent YBNP gun training and political indocrination camp (there was gun training and there was political indoctrination so lets leave it there, hey?), there was a Sunday service, as we were told on the BNP site.



I mentioned this here:



But the link to the BNP site doesn't seem to work anymore... can't think why that would be.

If that wasn't enough, the official BNP RWB song book includes 'Jerusalem' which tells us of the holy Lamb of God (that would be Jesus, pbuh). If you need to see it, recommend me a good file host which lets you upload PDF files.

All in all, unless you are saying that the BNP are some form of crypto-religious organisation, hiding it's true religion from plain sight, then I would say you are categorically wrong. And if you are saying that the BNP is publicly telling porkies about the religion it supports, then how are we expected to treat its stand on any other matter?



As I'm sure you know, Islam has what I think you have previously termed a 'terrorist cell' like nature, and, therefore, I am my own religious authority, as I believe every Muslim should be. I do not need anything or anyone, least of all a hierarchy of priests to intercede between myself and God.

I am telling you exactly that, whatever the BNP says all the evidence is that its leadership, and a fair few of its members, follow a religion which is based on the one Christianity supplanted in Europe 1500 years ago. Hence all the ridiculous runes all over the BNP and user names on Storm Front like Thor's, son of Odin, great big shiny massive hammer.

You will find evidence of this everywhere, but the ravings of one Lee Barnes are as good a place as any to start.

No doubt he would tell you that he has some sort of New Age attachment to these beliefs but for the most part they are straight out of the Nazis belief system, or at least one version of it.

I know that is effectively a conspiracy theory and on principle I don't do conspiracies but th evidence for this is overwhelming.

They often affect an attachment for Christianity because they believe there is a massive unexploited Christian vote out there something like the American phenomenon. Although most members are vaguely Christian in the standard cowardly "just in case" fashion.

As for your position on the structure of Islam, my point is that as you admit your interpretation of Islam is exclusive to you and is therefore of no significance to the vast majority of the indigenous population other than as a intellectual curiosity. And you do have an intermediary between yourself and god, Mohamed and the Koran. I have no intermediary between myself and god since I take no-ones pronouncements on the subject seriously. If he wants to give me a message he''ll have to do it in person, and it better be good, I''m a very busy man.
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
I am telling you exactly that, whatever the BNP says all the evidence is that its leadership, and a fair few of its members, follow a religion which is based on the one Christianity supplanted in Europe 1500 years ago. Hence all the ridiculous runes all over the BNP and user names on Storm Front like Thor's, son of Odin, great big shiny massive hammer.

I'll concede that you may have a point and I'll look into this more. My mind is open to this line of thought now.

You are willing to concoct your own "conspiracy theory" about the true religious leanings of BNP members, despite them trumpeting something different in public, and yet discount my theory around the Political Soldier/Indoctrination/Gun Camps for kids even though it is backed by plenty of historical evidence?
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
"The largest amount of chemical explosives of its type ever found", that would suggest that Cottage either had connections in BAe Systems or had a small amount of obscure explosive chemicals. Not that I know that for a fact.

I would suggest that it was a physically large amount of chemicals, this is the impression I've got all along.

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Police discovered a large stockpile of chemicals and food at his home in Colne, Lancashire, last September.

Ex-BNP man Cottage jailed for stockpiling explosive chemicals | UK news | guardian.co.uk

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TWO Pendle men have appeared before Pennine magistrates accused of having "a master plan" after what is believed to be a record haul of chemicals used in making home-made bombs was found in Colne.

Chemicals Find: Two In Court - Pendle Today

Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
He did indeed have connections with the BNP, and even deeper ones with the Tories

Please substantiate your claim about the Tories, did he, for example, stand for election for the Tories? Did he display any fear of a coming civil war whilst involved with the Tories, or did this fear simply develop randomly when he got involved with the BNP?
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
As for your position on the structure of Islam, my point is that as you admit your interpretation of Islam is exclusive to you

There are several schools of Islamic thought, they share many characteristics with each other and may diverge over some issues, but not others. For instance, I believe in the 5 pillars of Islam, (faith, prayer, alms giving, hajj and fasting), this I would assume, aligns me with the vast majority of Muslims. I may not believe that my wife needs to cover her face, and this may conflict with some Muslims, but not others.

Your depiction of my interpretation of Islam as "exclusive" to me, is in some ways correct, but that does not mean that I do not share the thoughts and ideals of other Muslims.

Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
...and is therefore of no significance to the vast majority of the indigenous population other than as a intellectual curiosity.

The indigenous population of the UK? You've lost me here.

Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
And you do have an intermediary between yourself and god, Mohamed and the Koran.

A common misconception.

I do not worship Muhammad (pbuh), like other prophets before him, is the messenger through which the Qur'an, the word of God, was passed through. If the Qur'an is the word of God, and I follow the Qur'an, how is there an intermediary between myself and God?
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Originally Posted by david H:
Apart from me gatecrashing the poll of BNP members on here showed I think 6. Then, WPCIF, why do you keep telling the rest of us about Griffin's past comments? You are like someone with a guilty condscience trying to show that others are as bad as your community. Give us some dirt on Edmund Burke, Enoch, Lord Salisbury, I am feeling left out.

Why should I have a guilty conscience? What have I done that is wrong?

If you think that all Muslims should be tarred with the same terrorist brush then you will have no problem with me doing the same with all members of the BNP, will you?
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
Interesting, I take you for a smart guy Pat, would you like to see Griffin replaced as chairman of the BNP?

It is an inevitability... But if I understand you correctly, you might get what I mean when I say then that my preference would be for someone equally as inept. Luckily, the leadership of the BNP appears to have a plethora of options in that regard.
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The principle is the same. He stood trial and if the system was, say, "Marxist" as the BNP would no doubt put it and biased against Nationalists, he would have gone down. He didn't. Therefore, you cannot on the one hand claim that the system works for Muslims but not for anyone else.

Your lack of understanding of the present government is obvious with this statement. The 'SYSTEM' is not Marxist - yet - but the government is. One only needs to read the profiles of the Nu-Libour Cabinet to see this. They have tried to make the UK a Marxist country and may yet succeed with the help of the EU. The recent takeover of the Banking system is just another step in that direction. As it is, the British people are not yet Marxist so there is still time to hope we can stall their plans.

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I believe in the 5 pillars of Islam, (faith, prayer, alms giving, hajj and fasting), this I would assume, aligns me with the vast majority of Muslims.

Do you also believe it is 'right' for female children to be married off as young as nine?
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