yep you got me:-)
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Originally Posted by bulter:
yep you got me:-)

Just be careful the benefit agency doesn't!:-)
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Originally Posted by bulter:
yep you got me:-)

What council did you serve on Bulter?
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Originally Posted by blueblood1920:
What council did you serve on Bulter?

I think hell will freeze over before he comes back to us on that one mate!:-)
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
From the Stormfront UK forum.

What an odd carry on.

I always though AD was supposed to be pro-nationalist. This article looks like it has come directly from the office nick lowles or gerry gable.
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Originally Posted by Sprite:
What an odd carry on.

I always though AD was supposed to be pro-nationalist. This article looks like it has come directly from the office nick lowles or gerry gable.

And what do you make of that?

A. Because Searchlight says it it must be lies.

or

B. Maybe Searchlight are telling the truth?

The fact is its very very difficult to oppose the BNP's policies so Searchlight's tactic is to target the credibility of the BNP as an organisation. In which it could scarcely be anymore successful than it is. The risk they run is that the BNP might react to this by becoming a harder target by professionalizing. However what Searchlight must have known forever and I failed to account for is that the BNP membership are so hopelessly mired in conspiracy theories that they are incapable of rational assessment of the situation. Best expressed by the fact that the membership do not believe any negative comment no matter how well attested and therefore can not react to it. An interesting consequence of this is that all BNP members, whether liberals like Vortex, barely suppressed racists like BB or outright Nazis like Collett see in the BNP exactly what they want to see, dismissing all conflicting evidence as "red propaganda" (This has interesting consequences for Griffin's tactical options). Therefore Searchlight can safely run the risk.

I think it was Crudas who articulated a view which is becoming prevalent in elite politics that the capabilities of the BNP to take advantage of favorable developments in massively overrated. The joke being that they can say this openly and know that the BNP will see it as some sort of Psy Ops rather than constructive criticism. Galling to say the least.
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Originally Posted by For_England:
Thanks for the welcome Vortex. I post on here from time to time, but there isn't a whole lot I can do from this distance, and I mainly just come on here to read news - there isn't much to be gained from arguing all the time, and no matter how bad the BNP is, we must still support it because there isn't anything else, and time is fast running out. Nor am I in a position to criticize as I have done (out of frustration mainly), since you guys are on the ground; i am not. However I do find these figures quite disturbing in light of everything that has happened, and however unpleasant reading it is, I would rather know what's going on. It's hard to put a good spin on them, even if Adrian Davies is hostile. But all is not doom and gloom; things can change very quickly in politics.

This attitude is what has allowed the energies of good people to be dissipated in what was at best a lost cause if not, as I believe, actually counter productive.

The existence of the BNP, and before it the NF, as a credible threat (and note it was ever the opposition which said it was credible) prevented any hope of a serious radical populist movement ever either forming a new party or far more dangerously subverting the Conservatives exactly as the far left subverted Labour.

These unremformable ramshackle compromised barn-door "far right" Party's sit on the right of British politics like toxic dumps preventing anything useful being constructed in that space. They are more responsible for the victory of the left than the left was itself.

By the way time is not running out, it has comprehensively run out in at least three crucial respects.

1. The advantages of controlling the state apparatus are now nil on account of the fact that they are disintegrating.

2. The left have managed to entrench basically suicidal dogmas so deeply in the indigenous public conscious that they can not be realistically challenged.

3. The demographic situation is now beyond redemption in any realistic scenario including outright race war.

Add to this the lamentable state of the BNP and its political position and it is unquestionably true that that all hope of political solution is gone.
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Originally Posted by bulter:
No i was joking bwt working for searchlight ,, i was a member of the bnp and cllr untill i found out wot a bunch of nazi's the top is.

Whether Butler is lying or not I can second that statement in all respects except that of being a councilor.
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Originally Posted by Wowbanger TIP:
This attitude is what has allowed the energies of good people to be dissipated in what was at best a lost cause if not, as I believe, actually counter productive.

Well unless it collapses and makes way for something better, than it remains the only hope. However I note that you believe the demographic situation is 'beyond redemption'; if that is true, then what's the point? We might as well not do anything right?

Originally Posted by :
The existence of the BNP, and before it the NF, as a credible threat (and note it was ever the opposition which said it was credible) prevented any hope of a serious radical populist movement ever either forming a new party or far more dangerously subverting the Conservatives exactly as the far left subverted Labour.

Yep, agreed. But I also don't expect Griffin to ever go away, so I'm left in the position of just standing on the sidelines observing. But I also see very little point in attacking the BNP - people know what Griffin and co have been up to, and they support it anyway. I hope either they gain from the financial meltdown and continued escalation of social decay, or that they implode, die, go away, and let real people take over (people who at least can put videos up on the site that actually work, for example). I couldn't imagine how well a populist party could do - a darn sight better than the current outfit no doubt.

Originally Posted by :
These unremformable ramshackle compromised barn-door "far right" Party's sit on the right of British politics like toxic dumps preventing anything useful being constructed in that space. They are more responsible for the victory of the left than the left was itself.

I agree. But since nationalists have refused to reform themselves, and instead have endorsed Griffin and co., and since they are the only ones there who promise to do something about our present situation, I don't see much point attacking them: better Griffin than Cameron. However, if a competent alternative ever came along, that would be another story.

Originally Posted by :
By the way time is not running out, it has comprehensively run out in at least three crucial respects.

1. The advantages of controlling the state apparatus are now nil on account of the fact that they are disintegrating.

And it will get worse, as we lose control of our military and our infrastructure to the EU and foreign companies respectively. We can legislate control of the latter back, but we once we've lost our military, that will be the end.

Originally Posted by :
2. The left have managed to entrench basically suicidal dogmas so deeply in the indigenous public conscious that they can not be realistically challenged.

As painfully demonstrated by the lefty morons on here, some of whom would rather their daughters walk through a black area than an area populated with white ideological dissidents such as myself.

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3. The demographic situation is now beyond redemption in any realistic scenario including outright race war.

This is your most serious claim. Sometimes I have dark thoughts that it is too late. Certainly there hasn't been much in the way of good news and hope in the last 2 years, since the BNP hit its ceiling and then decided to rid itself of many of its best members. But again, if it really is too late, then where do we go from here? What is the point?

Originally Posted by :
Add to this the lamentable state of the BNP and its political position and it is unquestionably true that that all hope of political solution is gone.

Nationalists hope that the country will wake up. We don't do ourselves any favours when we give the public reason to doubt us, as we do.
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Well F_E and wowbanger as the two most serious critics of the BNP leadership, what ledership do you want?
Incidentally, I understand that Clive Potter is drawing close to the Steadfast Trust which sounds good; but, then so is Steve Blake which worries me.
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