After seeing and hearing David Cameron say on Westcountry TV yesterday that he thought the EU was good for Britain, it must have sent a message to all possible EU sceptic Tory voters, that this future PM David Cameron, is as pro EU as Heath and he will never answer their prayers and so hopefully they will realise, UKIP is the only way out of the EU!
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I wonder what his view of "one world government" is ? :-)
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Originally Posted by Seasider:
Just curious to know Mikeuk, but what is your definition of

'getting real' ?

Basically getting more interested in having a good time than screwing yourself up in politics.

So that means I can't be an extremist anymore. Was I ever genuinely one? I don't know but I think it may have had more to do with people refusing to toe the line I wanted to enforce. I also fount a 'nich' I thought I enjoyed.

I'm free of that now but it doesn't man Im going to slag off people like you because Im not interested in doing that either Anti-racists are screwing temselves up as well.

Best for people to get on with their own lives and let others do the same.

Let's give an example. You are probably worried about 'The British Race' becoming coffee-coloured. So was I - once. I always said that if I had a daughter (I dont have any children) and she married one Id have turned her out of the house and cut her off without a penny.

I dont believe that any more. You probably think Im just saying that to impress people but Im not.

And I dont care what happens to the British Race because my ashes will have ended up garnishing somebody's al fresco meal centuries before that happens.

It also desnt mean that I have changed my purely factual and empirical beliefs about heredity, so I guess there are plenty of people who would call me a racist stil. **** them all!

Nor will I ever think that Nick Griffin is any more evil than all the other assholes in politics. Theyve all got their own nice little earners and Im sure he isnt alone in his niche.

Its time for us all to do our own things and stop worrying about other people. Believe me - it will make you a lot happier.
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Originally Posted by Mikeuk:
Basically getting more interested in having a good time than screwing yourself up in politics.

So that means I can't be an extremist anymore. Was I ever genuinely one? I don't know but I think it may have had more to do with people refusing to toe the line I wanted to enforce. I also fount a 'nich' I thought I enjoyed.

I'm free of that now but it doesn't man Im going to slag off people like you because Im not interested in doing that either Anti-racists are screwing temselves up as well.

Best for people to get on with their own lives and let others do the same.

Let's give an example. You are probably worried about 'The British Race' becoming coffee-coloured. So was I - once. I always said that if I had a daughter (I dont have any children) and she married one Id have turned her out of the house and cut her off without a penny.

I dont believe that any more. You probably think Im just saying that to impress people but Im not.

And I dont care what happens to the British Race because my ashes will have ended up garnishing somebody's al fresco meal centuries before that happens.

It also desnt mean that I have changed my purely factual and empirical beliefs about heredity, so I guess there are plenty of people who would call me a racist stil. **** them all!

Nor will I ever think that Nick Griffin is any more evil than all the other assholes in politics. Theyve all got their own nice little earners and Im sure he isnt alone in his niche.

Its time for us all to do our own things and stop worrying about other people. Believe me - it will make you a lot happier.

Thank you Mikeuk

Whether I agree with you or not makes no difference and I have never been in the business of bashing others to see things 'My Way'.

All the best to you and I thank you for your response.
:-)
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Originally Posted by Mikeuk:
Basically getting more interested in having a good time than screwing yourself up in politics.

So that means I can't be an extremist anymore. Was I ever genuinely one? I don't know but I think it may have had more to do with people refusing to toe the line I wanted to enforce. I also fount a 'nich' I thought I enjoyed.

I'm free of that now but it doesn't man Im going to slag off people like you because Im not interested in doing that either Anti-racists are screwing temselves up as well.

Best for people to get on with their own lives and let others do the same.

Let's give an example. You are probably worried about 'The British Race' becoming coffee-coloured. So was I - once. I always said that if I had a daughter (I dont have any children) and she married one Id have turned her out of the house and cut her off without a penny.

I dont believe that any more. You probably think Im just saying that to impress people but Im not.

And I dont care what happens to the British Race because my ashes will have ended up garnishing somebody's al fresco meal centuries before that happens.

It also desnt mean that I have changed my purely factual and empirical beliefs about heredity, so I guess there are plenty of people who would call me a racist stil. **** them all!

Nor will I ever think that Nick Griffin is any more evil than all the other assholes in politics. Theyve all got their own nice little earners and Im sure he isnt alone in his niche.

Its time for us all to do our own things and stop worrying about other people. Believe me - it will make you a lot happier.

That is clear enough. You regard concern for your race as a version of altruism. Something that has nothing much to do with you personally - for example, no children of your own, hence no real concern about other people's children merging their genes with other races. Let them get on with it. If Britain consists entirely of coffee-coloured people some time in the future, well, you'll be dead & buried and won't have to worry about it.

On another thread, a few months back, you said something like: 'I don't regard racism as a sin against the Holy Ghost'. I agreed with you then, 100% - but not now. What on earth does it matter if one is called a racist anyway. That is just a leftist trick. Everyone is racist, or ought to be. Combing through all one's thoughts & ideas for 'racism' as one might for lice is not a particularly profitable activity - it is a pointless distraction which hands victory to the PC left wingers who invented this game.

However, Cameron & co are prepared to play this silly game just to win power and you seem prepared to support them.

I reckon a Conservative victory will not help our nation one iota. So what exactly does ‘getting real' mean then? Just helping yourselves perhaps and not the nation?

Well, what else is new...?

Funny how most BNP activists could never switch allegiance in this way. Survival of the white race feels intimately linked to one's own sense of survival. You cannot just give that up and live selfishly. Because soon there'll be no place left for us to live in - no country to really call our own. And losing one's country happens by degrees. Everyone being coffee-coloured is for the future perhaps, but what is happening now is bad enough.

Not 'worrying' about this won't make any of us happier, because most of us cannot fail to notice the results every single day. If 'not screwing yourself up in politics' means just issuing a big no comment to all of that then I cannot see any point in being in politics.
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Originally Posted by kernow:
After seeing and hearing David Cameron say on Westcountry TV yesterday that he thought the EU was good for Britain, it must have sent a message to all possible EU sceptic Tory voters, that this future PM David Cameron, is as pro EU as Heath and he will never answer their prayers and so hopefully they will realise, UKIP is the only way out of the EU!

That's pretty idiotic of him. As far as I'm aware, the West Country, what with the number of farmers it has, tends to hate the EU the most. Mind you he has been idiotic before when he went Green all of a sudden.
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Originally Posted by London Orbital:
That is clear enough. You regard concern for your race as a version of altruism. Something that has nothing much to do with you personally - for example, no children of your own, hence no real concern about other people's children merging their genes with other races. Let them get on with it. If Britain consists entirely of coffee-coloured people some time in the future, well, you'll be dead & buried and won't have to worry about it.

On another thread, a few months back, you said something like: 'I don't regard racism as a sin against the Holy Ghost'. I agreed with you then, 100% - but not now. What on earth does it matter if one is called a racist anyway. That is just a leftist trick. Everyone is racist, or ought to be. Combing through all one's thoughts & ideas for 'racism' as one might for lice is not a particularly profitable activity - it is a pointless distraction which hands victory to the PC left wingers who invented this game.

However, Cameron & co are prepared to play this silly game just to win power and you seem prepared to support them.

I reckon a Conservative victory will not help our nation one iota. So what exactly does ‘getting real' mean then? Just helping yourselves perhaps and not the nation?

Well, what else is new...?

Funny how most BNP activists could never switch allegiance in this way. Survival of the white race feels intimately linked to one's own sense of survival. You cannot just give that up and live selfishly. Because soon there'll be no place left for us to live in - no country to really call our own. And losing one's country happens by degrees. Everyone being coffee-coloured is for the future perhaps, but what is happening now is bad enough.

Not 'worrying' about this won't make any of us happier, because most of us cannot fail to notice the results every single day. If 'not screwing yourself up in politics' means just issuing a big no comment to all of that then I cannot see any point in being in politics.

You have to look at the motives behind the 'racist-sayers'

I spent years in the Conservative Party as you know and there are plenty of Tories who would instantly jump ship to the BNP if the BNP were about to form a government - but they aren't.

These guys and girls have their own ideas about 'racism' etc, but they also have their eyes on the main chance. They want power and the trappings that go with it and if that means kow-towing to the zeitgeist and shouting 'racist' at the BNP so be it.

Now I'm not endorsing the attitudes of these cynics but if people are to achieve anything worthwhile in politics from the EU to immigration we have to work with the careerists. UKIP could do this but refuses to face facts. Griffin is astute enough to recognise that it's not possible for the BNP to do this so he ploughs his own furrow with relative success it must be said.

That's why - in the 'Small Pond Class' UKIP is a relative failure and the BNP a relative sucess.
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There is no concrete evidence to demonstrate that the Monday Club was ever "far right", extreme right" or whatever. Anyone who has ever examined their literature would be able to see that instantly. These pathetic labels have been applied by the broad Left (includes the ('modern' Conservative Party today), just as they apply those and similar labels to anyone who opposes Left-wing agendas in politics. Instead of having an intellectual debate and deconstructing the issues, they simply smear the groups and individuals as beyond the pale and so avoid the arguments altogether. That is the state politics have reached in the UK.
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I have been a committee member of the Swinton Circle, I have known Alan Harvey for some years, and I am convinced that he is sincere in his desire to keep extremist elements out of the Circle's meetings.

I have engaged with the CDA in the past, and I regret that that organisation does not share Harvey's principles.

I have spoken at a meeting of the Springbok Club, which I would not have done if I beleived it to be an extremist or racist organisation.
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Originally Posted by gc:
I have been a committee member of the Swinton Circle, I have known Alan Harvey for some years, and I am convinced that he is sincere in his desire to keep extremist elements out of the Circle's meetings.

I have engaged with the CDA in the past, and I regret that that organisation does not share Harvey's principles.

I have spoken at a meeting of the Springbok Club, which I would not have done if I beleived it to be an extremist or racist organisation.

Are you sure you aren't Alan Harvey, a former member of the fascist National Front who wishes to restore what he calls 'civilised rule' to post-Apartheid South Africa?

If so, and you are indeed sincere in your desire to remove extremist elements from the LSC you might start with yourself...

...oh sorry. According to reports somebody has already removed you for behaving like a sex-crazed gorilla on speed at your last meeting. :-) :-) :-)

Engaged with CDA, have you? Do share your experiences with us.

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beleived

Repeat slowly after me. '"I" before "e" except after "c"'
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