Originally Posted by roostifer:
Defeatism or realism?

I'm no politician, you guys are, but from reading the literature that comes through my letterbox the first impression is that the EDs (the only English nationalists locally) are a one issue party and they have no real answers to the concerns of Joe Public or more pertinently no interest apart from once every four years.

That is why I ask is it time for a change of direction or leadership to make people sit up and take notice. For example Mike Tibby and his colleagues are seen on consecutive Saturdays in Dartford town centre with the same literature and his audience is the same.

Forming splinter parties isn't, in my opinion anyway, the way forward hatchets should if at all possible be buried (not in each other's heads) and a united, concerted effort be put into campaigning.

English nationalism is a vote winner but why aren't they getting elected at any level of administration. Surely the way forward is start at the bottom, with recruitment, but to attract members you need to give us a reason why we should join you as most sympathisers will say you haven't got a chance.

I also firmly believe that the biggest obstacle to all politicians is apathy the non political see no point in going to vote as they think their vote will make on difference at all.

Why do the odious BNP make gains they choose their target seats well. I'm sorry to bang on about the EDs in Dartford but to everyone but Tibby and Uncles they have no chance of getting elected here but they will still waste their energy and money in the completely ridiculous belief that Dartford is their stronghold and will one day fall. They've peaked and should look again at where is the greatest chance of electoral success. Essex maybe, give the residents of Barking, Dagenham and Epping Forest a viable, more acceptable alternative to the extreme right. Given the option I'm sure many BNP voters would rather vote for someone less extreme.

Good luck but we'll have to disagree as I genuinely believe that there is no chance for you guys and the future is bleak. I would never ever criticise your commitment to the cause but maybe your sanity in believing you can make a difference unless you can give us something different, but obviously not that different, people talk about change but deep down there is a certain amount of 'better the devil you know' i.e. socialist or Conservative.

Roostifer.

P.S where has KM disappeared too? I've missed him and his words of wisdom:-)

More drivel from an uncommitted fence sitter, made bad tempered by the splinters up his thinking mechanism!

You use many words to say nowt! Proud Englishman? More like a cringing whiner!


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Originally Posted by chartwell:
Either way it's a disaster for England to scrape in just ahead of the Monster Raving Looney party.

All I'd say is that something needs to change very quickly!!!

Mike

After polling under one percent of the vote - again - I think it is almost the end of the ED's now - that or Tilbrook & Constable must resign now. It can't all be blamed on Steve Uncles - the ED's North West organisation (sic) was a laughing stock.

The ED's more liberal members will move over to the Free England Party and their more nationalist members will join (are joining) the England First Party. At least everyone will know where they stand then.
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So how many members do you have in the England First Party?

Wouldn't a white nationalist be better off joining the BNP?
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Originally Posted by A66:
Well done to the Unionist parties. Pathetic vote splitting little England Democrats showing !!. They must consider packing in now!

Why should they? They beat the OMRLP. This is progress!
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Not by much though! If they had got beaten by the OMRLP again (like they did at Sedgefield) then it would surely have been time to call it a day like Dr David Owen's SDP did after the Bootle By-election.
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They beat the OMRLP at Sedgefield but not in Southall and Ealing, I believe.

Mind, you have to admire the OMRLP. A party with no ambition or no real point, but they keep going year after year.
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
So how many members do you have in the England First Party?

Wouldn't a white nationalist be better off joining the BNP?

I don't know how many members the EFP has? 100-150 maybe, I guess you need to ask the Chairman Steve Smith - his email is - pearl.smith1@ntlworld.com -

What has it got to do with White Nationalists? I thought this was about England and English nationalism? Anyway the BNP is a British/Unionist party - like UKIP and the NF - I want an Independent England, thats why I joined the ED's (in 2005) - then left and joined the EFP (in 2006).

Yes the EFP may be tiny now, but under Steve Smiths leadership its growing fast - roll on next June!
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Originally Posted by England For Ever:
After polling under one percent of the vote - again - I think it is almost the end of the ED's now - that or Tilbrook & Constable must resign now. It can't all be blamed on Steve Uncles - the ED's North West organisation (sic) was a laughing stock.

The ED's more liberal members will move over to the Free England Party and their more nationalist members will join (are joining) the England First Party. At least everyone will know where they stand then.

Just what is your problem? Don't you enjoy a good laugh then?

It seems that your undeclared agenda is the reduction of democratic choice! Why don't you admit this - in this event, at least everyone will know where YOU stand!



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Originally Posted by England For Ever:
I don't know how many members the EFP has? 100-150 maybe, I guess you need to ask the Chairman Steve Smith - his email is - pearl.smith1@ntlworld.com -

What has it got to do with White Nationalists? I thought this was about England and English nationalism? Anyway the BNP is a British/Unionist party - like UKIP and the NF - I want an Independent England, thats why I joined the ED's (in 2005) - then left and joined the EFP (in 2006).

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The sources I've read show that the EFP wanted to call themselves the White Nationalist Party, but this was rejected by the Electoral Commission.

Neither the EDP nor EFP have a policy on English independence. And if the EFP did, they wouldn't be listened to by mainstream parties.
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
The sources I've read show that the EFP wanted to call themselves the White Nationalist Party, but this was rejected by the Electoral Commission.

Neither the EDP nor EFP have a policy on English independence. And if the EFP did, they wouldn't be listened to by mainstream parties.

Your sources must be wrong again then!

The White Nationalist Party tried to register with the Electoral Commission but got turned down. They then formed the Nationalist Alliance and then the British Peoples Party. The Electoral Commission excepted their registration as "BPP Putting Britons First".

As far as I'm aware the EFP was formed in August 2003 - by ex-members of the WNP and BNP - and is serparate from all of them now (in fact they all attack the EFP for wanting an Independent England).

The policy of EFP is for an Independent England, within a federated British Isles (unlike the ED's who just call for an English Parliament).

If the mainstream partys wanted to talk to the EFP, I would know we were doing something wrong!
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