England For Ever, you do know what a federation is, do you? A federation of the British Isles would imply Home Rule Parliaments all around but with some govermental policies still being common such as foreign affairs and defence. A federation DOESN'T mean 'independence'. It also implies a written constitution which would guarantee and clearly set-out the powers of the Home Rule parliaments. At the moment, we have devolution and the basic difference between that arrangement and a federation is that under devolution Westminster is still sovereign and can abolish Holyrood and the Welsh assembly overnight. I highly doubt whether any British government would create a federation out of the United Kingdom seeing as it means a major revision to the hitherto sacrosanct principle of Westminster being sovereign and the 'Queen in Parliament'.
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A good question.

There are hundreds of minor or semi-dormant political parties listed on the Electoral Commission website, and there is no reason why the EDs cannot linger on as one of these. But with their present manifesto commitment to a federal UK, with their indebtedness and some of the behaviours shown (some of them on this forum) by some of their senior NC officials, then I do not see much future for them.
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I do not think there is much of a future for single issue parties. Yes, I agree they may have other poicies than the issue they are identified with. Lots of 'new' parties start up however most of them seem to advocate more rightwing solutions as the answer to perceived problems.

At least two issues. Getting out of the European Union and an English Parliament are included in our draft policies.

peoples voice

Party will launch in July 2008.
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Originally Posted by peoplesvoice:
I do not think there is much of a future for single issue parties. Yes, I agree they may have other poicies than the issue they are identified with. Lots of 'new' parties start up however most of them seem to advocate more rightwing solutions as the answer to perceived problems.

At least two issues. Getting out of the European Union and an English Parliament are included in our draft policies.

peoples voice

Party will launch in July 2008.

You omitted to mention that you are yet another British political party! Since you claim not to be a 'single issue' - presumably one with one or two different policies - one wonders what is so special about you?

Incidentally, neither the EDP nor the FEP are 'single issue' parties! You seem like all the rest - a party which misrepresents others! Big deal!


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Originally Posted by Independence Now!:
England For Ever, you do know what a federation is, do you? A federation of the British Isles would imply Home Rule Parliaments all around but with some govermental policies still being common such as foreign affairs and defence. A federation DOESN'T mean 'independence'. It also implies a written constitution which would guarantee and clearly set-out the powers of the Home Rule parliaments. At the moment, we have devolution and the basic difference between that arrangement and a federation is that under devolution Westminster is still sovereign and can abolish Holyrood and the Welsh assembly overnight. I highly doubt whether any British government would create a federation out of the United Kingdom seeing as it means a major revision to the hitherto sacrosanct principle of Westminster being sovereign and the 'Queen in Parliament'.

Yes thank you. As stated before we support an Independent England, in a Federated British Isles (NOT UK) - we would hope that Eire would be part of the Federation too. As for the Queen/Royal family/Westminster they would be long gone by then :-)
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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine:
A good question.

There are hundreds of minor or semi-dormant political parties listed on the Electoral Commission website, and there is no reason why the EDs cannot linger on as one of these. But with their present manifesto commitment to a federal UK, with their indebtedness and some of the behaviours shown (some of them on this forum) by some of their senior NC officials, then I do not see much future for them.

There is plenty of room for more than one English Nationalist party - at the moment there are about ten, but only the ED's, EFP and FEP ran candidates in the May elections.

PS, I saw your London result, and that of your candidate in Stevenage (158 - 11.5% - not bad at all). Can you give me the details of how the FEP did in Newcastle as its not listed on their Councils website?
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Originally Posted by England For Ever:
There is plenty of room for more than one English Nationalist party - at the moment there are about ten, but only the ED's, EFP and FEP ran candidates in the May elections.

PS, I saw your London result, and that of your candidate in Stevenage (158 - 11.5% - not bad at all). Can you give me the details of how the FEP did in Newcastle as its not listed on their Councils website?

Not listed! It was a 3rd place, 12.43% of the vote - 367 votes.
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Originally Posted by England For Ever:
Yes thank you. As stated before we support an Independent England, in a Federated British Isles (NOT UK) - we would hope that Eire would be part of the Federation too. As for the Queen/Royal family/Westminster they would be long gone by then :-)

No, you don't understand. A federated British Isles would have a common government for certain areas of policies ie defence, foreign affairs and major aspects of economics (macro economic policy). You CAN'T have independence and a federation at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Independence Now!:
No, you don't understand. A federated British Isles would have a common government for certain areas of policies ie defence, foreign affairs and major aspects of economics (macro economic policy).

'Could' is a more appropriate word word.

Originally Posted by Independence Now!:
You CAN'T have independence and a federation at the same time.

The terms 'independence' and 'federation' are very broad and depend upon particular circumstances.

So many people have very rigid ideas about the form various types of government 'must' take!

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Originally Posted by cassie:
'Could' is a more appropriate word word. The terms 'independence' and 'federation' are very broad and depend upon particular circumstances.

So many people have very rigid ideas about the form various types of government 'must' take!

Is this more psudo intelectual gobbledegook or do you have a point?

How so?

Would you explain please?
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