Is this the end of the EDs?

Originally Posted by Independence Now!:
Cassie, how is Chartwell being 'anti-English'? I see nothing in his/her remarks to indicate that. All this poster is doing is spelling-out some facts about that by-election. Surely, you are not saying that Haltemprice and Howden WAS your normal, run-of-the-mill by-election, are you?

You wouldn't know a fact if you fell over one! What you call 'facts' are suppositions by you based on hypothetical situations ie what might have been rather than what is!

You fail to explain your assertions and I see no reason why I should explain mine to someone as unreasonably hostile as you!

You BNP types must be hard up for somewhere to post!:-)

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As the author of this thread I have been interested to see what everyone thought about the EDs and I don't think there is still a definitive answer. Both sides can put forward a strong case but I think that even the most fervent ED supporters would, if they're honest, deny that the H&H by election was an anomaly caused by the other parties boycotting it and not a pointer to the future.
One interesting point raised that I agree with is that the EDs have their strong area(s) where they will buck their vote share trend i.e. Dartford but will not trouble the scorers unduly elsewhere.

I'm sure that Cassie will crucify me and give me his best invective, but to an outsider looking in the facts are pretty inescapable!

PS welcome back KS2, you've been sorely missed for one reason or another:-)!

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Originally Posted by roostifer:
As the author of this thread I have been interested to see what everyone thought about the EDs and I don't think there is still a definitive answer. Both sides can put forward a strong case but I think that even the most fervent ED supporters would, if they're honest, deny that the H&H by election was an anomaly caused by the other parties boycotting it and not a pointer to the future.
One interesting point raised that I agree with is that the EDs have their strong area(s) where they will buck their vote share trend i.e. Dartford but will not trouble the scorers unduly elsewhere.

I'm sure that Cassie will crucify me and give me his best invective, but to an outsider looking in the facts are pretty inescapable!

PS welcome back KS2, you've been sorely missed for one reason or another:-)!

You asked, without any qualification or limitation: "Is this the end of the EDs?" Now you say there is "no definitive answer"!

With an unqualified question like yours, if the answer isn't 'yes', it must be 'no'!

Very simple really. Why make it seem more complicated than it is?

I suppose you have to convince yourself that your question was worth asking. Frankly, I believe it was just another excuse to have a pop at the EDP when it was going through a bad patch! Well meaning and true English patriots don't do that kind of thing; the enemies of England do, but then, by your own admission, you're an outsider! Worse, you're not as neutral as you'd have us believe . . . a somewhat dishonest position!

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Cassie: "Well meaning and true English patriots don't do that kind of thing; the enemies of England do, but then, by your own admission, you're an outsider! Worse, you're not as neutral as you'd have us believe . . . a somewhat dishonest position!"

Cassie, "true English Patriots" as you call them, would not waste their time faffing about with a minor party when it is in almost direct competition with other nationalist parties for the hearts and minds of millions of English people who consider immigration, loss of national and ethnic identity, and further incarceration into the walled cell of international "co-operation" as vastly more important than the creation of an English Parliament.

It is the activities of the likes of your self, relatively new to the world of English identity politics - an issue that has been pursued for decades by others - that exists in a bubble of self-denial as to the final outcome or into the significance of the efforts of others.

The England you appear to dream of, has been virtually dead and buried for the last 150 years, as far too many English people, no matter how they might like to describe themselves, have a mixed English-British heritage, and the abusive wailings of those English purists such as yourself will achieve nothing except further electoral failures for all those trying to achieve a wider British-English national salvation.

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Originally Posted by a swansong 4 europe:
Cassie: "Well meaning and true English patriots don't do that kind of thing; the enemies of England do, but then, by your own admission, you're an outsider! Worse, you're not as neutral as you'd have us believe . . . a somewhat dishonest position!"

Cassie, "true English Patriots" as you call them, would not waste their time faffing about with a minor party when it is in almost direct competition with other nationalist parties for the hearts and minds of millions of English people who consider immigration, loss of national and ethnic identity, and further incarceration into the walled cell of international "co-operation" as vastly more important than the creation of an English Parliament.

It is the activities of the likes of your self, relatively new to the world of English identity politics - an issue that has been pursued for decades by others - that exists in a bubble of self-denial as to the final outcome or into the significance of the efforts of others.

The England you appear to dream of, has been virtually dead and buried for the last 150 years, as far too many English people, no matter how they might like to describe themselves, have a mixed English-British heritage, and the abusive wailings of those English purists such as yourself will achieve nothing except further electoral failures for all those trying to achieve a wider British-English national salvation.

People trying to defend weak positions often resort to the tactic of telling me what I think, what I believe and even what I appear to dream of!

When will you understand that my primary objective is the creation of a separate parliament and executive for England? No, I'm not going to join or to support the BNP and the more you post your insulting drivel, the more I shall be likely to actively oppose it! Seems to me that it's you who does much abusive wailing about the loss of pure, white race!

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