Is this the end of the EDs?

Following the recent local govt and mayoral election results for the EDs and now the showing in C&N is this the end of the EDs and the other smaller parties?

Is it the fact that the nation really is just a three party state and there is no room for anyone else except the UKIPs in Euro elections and PC and SNP in the Celtic regions.

I know the commitment, belief and willingness to campaign is there in abundance but is it now time to realise the futility of it all?

Not a wind up at all and I know that there will be a stock response of 'I shan't give up the fight' etc. If there is a future for the smaller parties what's the gameplan, new leadership, change of campaigning tactics, widening of horizons as the perception (like UKIP) is of one issue politics.

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Originally Posted by roostifer:
Following the recent local govt and mayoral election results for the EDs and now the showing in C&N is this the end of the EDs and the other smaller parties?

Is it the fact that the nation really is just a three party state and there is no room for anyone else except the UKIPs in Euro elections and PC and SNP in the Celtic regions.

I know the commitment, belief and willingness to campaign is there in abundance but is it now time to realise the futility of it all?

Not a wind up at all and I know that there will be a stock response of 'I shan't give up the fight' etc. If there is a future for the smaller parties what's the gameplan, new leadership, change of campaigning tactics, widening of horizons as the perception (like UKIP) is of one issue politics.

Discuss

Why do YOU ask? What is YOUR interest?

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Originally Posted by cassie:
Why do YOU ask? What is YOUR interest?

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Cassie,
As a proud Englishman who feels that the we are being under represented and ruled by a cabal of Celts who really don't have our interests at heart.

It was a genuine enquiry as to why the message is not getting across or maybe the messengers are wrong.

The majority of English are fed up with hearing about free prescriptions, further education etc not being available to the English so the audience for the EDs, FEP etc is there and willing to listen but why aren't they?

What are YOU, UNCLES etc going to do to persuade myself and others to vote ED or FEP?

As I've mentioned before on this forum, the EDs in their 'stronghold' of Dartford are genuinely perceived as not being fit, so what is the answer, change of leadership, direction, message or give up and go home.

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Originally Posted by roostifer:
Cassie,
As a proud Englishman who feels that the we are being under represented and ruled by a cabal of Celts who really don't have our interests at heart.

It was a genuine enquiry as to why the message is not getting across or maybe the messengers are wrong.

The majority of English are fed up with hearing about free prescriptions, further education etc not being available to the English so the audience for the EDs, FEP etc is there and willing to listen but why aren't they?

What are YOU, UNCLES etc going to do to persuade myself and others to vote ED or FEP?

As I've mentioned before on this forum, the EDs in their 'stronghold' of Dartford are genuinely perceived as not being fit, so what is the answer, change of leadership, direction, message or give up and go home.

Funny how your 'genuine enquiry' is couched in the biassed terms of defeatism, rather than a more positive approach such as (for example) "What is the way forward for English nationalists and the EDP?"

Maybe your attitude is part of the reason which seems to dump responsibility on a few individuals?

What do YOU do to advance the interests of England and the English?

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Originally Posted by cassie:
Funny how your 'genuine enquiry' is couched in the biassed terms of defeatism, rather than a more positive approach such as (for example) "What is the way forward for English nationalists and the EDP?"

Maybe your attitude is part of the reason which seems to dump responsibility on a few individuals?

What do YOU do to advance the interests of England and the English?

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Defeatism or realism?

I'm no politician, you guys are, but from reading the literature that comes through my letterbox the first impression is that the EDs (the only English nationalists locally) are a one issue party and they have no real answers to the concerns of Joe Public or more pertinently no interest apart from once every four years.

That is why I ask is it time for a change of direction or leadership to make people sit up and take notice. For example Mike Tibby and his colleagues are seen on consecutive Saturdays in Dartford town centre with the same literature and his audience is the same.

Forming splinter parties isn't, in my opinion anyway, the way forward hatchets should if at all possible be buried (not in each other's heads) and a united, concerted effort be put into campaigning.

English nationalism is a vote winner but why aren't they getting elected at any level of administration. Surely the way forward is start at the bottom, with recruitment, but to attract members you need to give us a reason why we should join you as most sympathisers will say you haven't got a chance.

I also firmly believe that the biggest obstacle to all politicians is apathy the non political see no point in going to vote as they think their vote will make on difference at all.

Why do the odious BNP make gains they choose their target seats well. I'm sorry to bang on about the EDs in Dartford but to everyone but Tibby and Uncles they have no chance of getting elected here but they will still waste their energy and money in the completely ridiculous belief that Dartford is their stronghold and will one day fall. They've peaked and should look again at where is the greatest chance of electoral success. Essex maybe, give the residents of Barking, Dagenham and Epping Forest a viable, more acceptable alternative to the extreme right. Given the option I'm sure many BNP voters would rather vote for someone less extreme.

Good luck but we'll have to disagree as I genuinely believe that there is no chance for you guys and the future is bleak. I would never ever criticise your commitment to the cause but maybe your sanity in believing you can make a difference unless you can give us something different, but obviously not that different, people talk about change but deep down there is a certain amount of 'better the devil you know' i.e. socialist or Conservative.

Roostifer.

P.S where has KM disappeared too? I've missed him and his words of wisdom:-)

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Defeatism or realism?

I'm no politician, you guys are, but from reading the literature that comes through my letterbox the first impression is that the EDs (the only English nationalists locally) are a one issue party and they have no real answers to the concerns of Joe Public or more pertinently no interest apart from once every four years.

That is why I ask is it time for a change of direction or leadership to make people sit up and take notice. For example Mike Tibby and his colleagues are seen on consecutive Saturdays in Dartford town centre with the same literature and his audience is the same.

Forming splinter parties isn't, in my opinion anyway, the way forward hatchets should if at all possible be buried (not in each other's heads) and a united, concerted effort be put into campaigning.

English nationalism is a vote winner but why aren't they getting elected at any level of administration. Surely the way forward is start at the bottom, with recruitment, but to attract members you need to give us a reason why we should join you as most sympathisers will say you haven't got a chance.

I also firmly believe that the biggest obstacle to all politicians is apathy the non political see no point in going to vote as they think their vote will not change their lives one bit.

Why do the odious BNP make gains they choose their target seats well. I'm sorry to bang on about the EDs in Dartford but to everyone but Tibby and Uncles they have no chance of getting elected here but they will still waste their energy and money in the completely ridiculous belief that Dartford is their stronghold and will one day fall. They've peaked and should look again at where is the greatest chance of electoral success. Essex maybe, give the residents of Barking, Dagenham and Epping Forest a viable, more acceptable alternative to the extreme right. Given the option I'm sure many BNP voters would rather vote for someone less extreme.

Good luck but we'll have to disagree as I genuinely believe that there is no chance for you guys and the future is bleak. I would never ever criticise your commitment to the cause but maybe your sanity in believing you can make a difference unless you can give us something different, but obviously not that different, people talk about change but deep down there is a certain amount of 'better the devil you know' i.e. socialist or Conservative.

Roostifer.

P.S where has KM disappeared too? I've missed him and his words of wisdom:-)

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Either way it's a disaster for England to scrape in just ahead of the Monster Raving Looney party.

All I'd say is that something needs to change very quickly!!!

Mike

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Originally Posted by roostifer:
Defeatism or realism?

I'm no politician, you guys are, but from reading the literature that comes through my letterbox the first impression is that the EDs (the only English nationalists locally) are a one issue party and they have no real answers to the concerns of Joe Public or more pertinently no interest apart from once every four years.

That is why I ask is it time for a change of direction or leadership to make people sit up and take notice. For example Mike Tibby and his colleagues are seen on consecutive Saturdays in Dartford town centre with the same literature and his audience is the same.

Forming splinter parties isn't, in my opinion anyway, the way forward hatchets should if at all possible be buried (not in each other's heads) and a united, concerted effort be put into campaigning.

English nationalism is a vote winner but why aren't they getting elected at any level of administration. Surely the way forward is start at the bottom, with recruitment, but to attract members you need to give us a reason why we should join you as most sympathisers will say you haven't got a chance.

I also firmly believe that the biggest obstacle to all politicians is apathy the non political see no point in going to vote as they think their vote will not change their lives one bit.

Why do the odious BNP make gains they choose their target seats well. I'm sorry to bang on about the EDs in Dartford but to everyone but Tibby and Uncles they have no chance of getting elected here but they will still waste their energy and money in the completely ridiculous belief that Dartford is their stronghold and will one day fall. They've peaked and should look again at where is the greatest chance of electoral success. Essex maybe, give the residents of Barking, Dagenham and Epping Forest a viable, more acceptable alternative to the extreme right. Given the option I'm sure many BNP voters would rather vote for someone less extreme.

Good luck but we'll have to disagree as I genuinely believe that there is no chance for you guys and the future is bleak. I would never ever criticise your commitment to the cause but maybe your sanity in believing you can make a difference unless you can give us something different, but obviously not that different, people talk about change but deep down there is a certain amount of 'better the devil you know' i.e. socialist or Conservative.

Roostifer.

P.S where has KM disappeared too? I've missed him and his words of wisdom:-)

Ranting about a Scottish so-called 'mafia' isn't a good way of gaining votes, especially when the person doing the ranting has an Irish surname! As for the BNP being 'extreme' I reserve that label for the so-called 'mainstream' parties who are intent on continuing with their mass, uncontrolled immigration policies which will result in white Britons becoming a minority in their own country. Now, that really is EXTREME.

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