Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
The opinion polls always do show that, but in the context of winning votes at the ballot box I stopped believing in that being a reliable indicator.

I therefore went out to my local electorate, swapped this position for independence, and lo and behold - more people voted for me!

Congratulations, but not really the comparison I had in mind!

See also my other remarks immediately above in Post#20!


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Oh dear Danny, lighten up a bit.

I want to see a winning team for England. Not a criminal fraternity. Anybody who knows anything about the history of F4J knows there are hundreds of copycat groups.

That Key Stage 2 (is that Christine?) says they have been in touch with the 'Real F4J' says even more about the Eng Dems.

They have been struck off at companies house and are a two-man band. No wonder they have so much in common.

The ONLY person I am cheerleading for is Andrew Constantine NOT Matt O'Connor who clearly is doing other things (who can blame him).

The reality is that Constantine should be given the opportunity to do the job the Eng Dems keep failing at.
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Chartwell

Just to correct your normal wide assumptions

1 Real Fathers 4 Justice contacted the English Democrats, after the appauling behaviour of Matt O'Connor in the London Mayoral Elections. The organisers of Real Fathers 4 Justice explained that 99% of the activists and members had left Matt O'Connors Fathers 4 Justice due to serious un answered questions about the use of funds/donations by Matt O'Connor, this is why this matter has been reported to the police.

2 Andrew Constantine, has every opportunity to "do what he wants" now he has his own party, indeed he had a pretty free hand when he was Area Chairman for the English Demcorats for London.

Chartwell, it is difficult to understand your agenda on this forum, but you do appear to be rather niave when it comes to party politics.

What is your history, why do you believe you have "all the answers" ?
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Originally Posted by KeyStage2:
English Demcorats

You know, it might catch on yet...
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So what has become of O'Connor's new english party?
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Key Stage 2 has lost his/her grasp on reality. I was at a meeting on Monday night attended by people from the London Mayoral elections and F4J.

'Real F4J' does not exist. It was struck off at companies house last year and it consists of just two people!

F4J as I understand it contains ALL the original team (see Harman protest) and has thousands of members and from what I heard they are still trying to clear a backlog of people joining from June's protest. They have also just published a new book and then there is the much taunted film in development with Miramax about F4J and apparently I learnt on Monday, another book following O'Connor's first book last year.

I don't know the in's and out of the finances but given the group (not for profit limited company) has been going six-years and that they are generating a substantial income, their finances must be in a much healthier state than the Eng Dems which says something about their financial acumen.

Indeed I was told that F4J has become the definitive campaign and business model other groups are learning from. That is why thousands of people have backed O'Connor and F4J. Sure there will always be people complaining but nobody else has shown the same campaigning ability as O'Connor - which is why I presume the Eng Dems selected him!

And which is why he was given a 2 hour spot on Talk Sport radio on Monday night. Interestingly, nobody seems to ask any questions about the Eng Dems (who) or England which is my source of concern which is why I think other people (without the baggage) need to lead the movement.

I also found out that O'Connor has the money, backing (from other people involved in the elections) and strategy to launch a political party but is focused on F4J and other projects he is working on and has no intention of moving quickly on this, nor of dwelling on England as an issue because of the 'nutters'. Their words on Monday night, not mine.
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Originally Posted by chartwell:
Key Stage 2 has lost his/her grasp on reality. I was at a meeting on Monday night attended by people from the London Mayoral elections and F4J.

'Real F4J' does not exist. It was struck off at companies house last year and it consists of just two people!

F4J as I understand it contains ALL the original team (see Harman protest) and has thousands of members and from what I heard they are still trying to clear a backlog of people joining from June's protest. They have also just published a new book and then there is the much taunted film in development with Miramax about F4J and apparently I learnt on Monday, another book following O'Connor's first book last year.

I don't know the in's and out of the finances but given the group (not for profit limited company) has been going six-years and that they are generating a substantial income, their finances must be in a much healthier state than the Eng Dems which says something about their financial acumen.

Indeed I was told that F4J has become the definitive campaign and business model other groups are learning from. That is why thousands of people have backed O'Connor and F4J. Sure there will always be people complaining but nobody else has shown the same campaigning ability as O'Connor - which is why I presume the Eng Dems selected him!

And which is why he was given a 2 hour spot on Talk Sport radio on Monday night. Interestingly, nobody seems to ask any questions about the Eng Dems (who) or England which is my source of concern which is why I think other people (without the baggage) need to lead the movement.

I also found out that O'Connor has the money, backing (from other people involved in the elections) and strategy to launch a political party but is focused on F4J and other projects he is working on and has no intention of moving quickly on this, nor of dwelling on England as an issue because of the 'nutters'. Their words on Monday night, not mine.

If you are associated with the FEP, you are giving them a bad image, one of unremitting attacks on perceived political opponents. You come on here with a half-baked story, and you expect anyone with any judgement to believe YOU?

Shove off, and take your girlie tittle tattle with you!


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Bad image? Girlie tittle tattle? How could we compete with you Cassie, you are a pro in this area and we bow to your superior talents in this field.

And how could anyone compete against the Eng Dems for negative image?

Just look at Labour to see comparisons with other parties: Insolvency, arrests, failure, lack of support, lack of donors and for the Eng Dems, 3 London Mayoral candidates in as many months. What a class act. I am clueless Cassie, perhaps you could educate me?

I wouldn't want to imagine what a bad image for those people would look like!

You attack people for telling 'stories' which then turn out to be true once people have been flushed out.

Take a reality check and send your delusions on holiday. I get my facts and check them out before I say anything, unlike others. Seems like most people here are in denial and need some therapy.
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PS did it cross anybody's mind that the they would shut the Vote English site down because O'Connor is no longer standing as a London Mayoral candidate? Duuhhh!
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Originally Posted by chartwell:
Bad image? Girlie tittle tattle? How could we compete with you Cassie, you are a pro in this area and we bow to your superior talents in this field.

And how could anyone compete against the Eng Dems for negative image?

Just look at Labour to see comparisons with other parties: Insolvency, arrests, failure, lack of support, lack of donors and for the Eng Dems, 3 London Mayoral candidates in as many months. What a class act. I am clueless Cassie, perhaps you could educate me?

I wouldn't want to imagine what a bad image for those people would look like!

You attack people for telling 'stories' which then turn out to be true once people have been flushed out.

Take a reality check and send your delusions on holiday. I get my facts and check them out before I say anything, unlike others. Seems like most people here are in denial and need some therapy.

There you go again, proving the truth of my words! You feign support for the FEP, but the reality is that the preponderance of your posts are nasty, negative attacks on the EDP and, by proxy, English nationalists!

You are not a member of either the EDP or the FEP which leaves you free to be a member of the Labour Party or the BNP. You have nothing positive or constructive to say about the EDP in particular. Just what about Post#24 was NOT tittle tattle? Just what about Post#24 has anything useful to do with the EDP?

The answer is, of course, nothing!

You are a phoney and like all phonies, all you can rely upon is generalisations! QED!

I have you in my sights.

Over to you anti-English chartwell. :-)


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