Toque 03:29 PM 19-08-2008
I assume nothing, it wouldn't cost you a brass farthing to be strident in differentiating yourselves from racist parties.
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cassie 03:52 PM 19-08-2008
Originally Posted by Toque:
In a literal sense maybe, but no more so than the "Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party". I'm expecting the BNP to become more and more English nationalist, which is why my wise counsel to the EDP is to differentiate yourself from them (and the EFP) on civic nationalist terms. Obviously the extent to which you think my advice is wise will depend on the turn of events, but nevertheless you may as well prepare now for all eventualities.
It's a quaint notion of party membership which expects a political party and its members to adhere to advice proferred by a deliberate non-joiner!
Failure to join a party is failure to commit to that group. Consequently, less reliance can be prudently placed on the motives for particular advice from such sources.
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cassie 03:55 PM 19-08-2008
Originally Posted by Toque:
I assume nothing, it wouldn't cost you a brass farthing to be strident in differentiating yourselves from racist parties.
Rather like stridently proclaiming one's innocence! 'No smoke without fire' is a view which usually ensues in consequence.
Why raise the subject at all in the context of campaigning for an England Parliament?
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Northumbrian 08:51 PM 19-08-2008
Originally Posted by Ken:
The BNP is constantly talking about English nationalism and has had many fine articles on the subject. Even John Lovejoy writes for them. If they did change to a wholly English nationalist party as thy probably will, you English Nationalist lot are finished.
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On the contrary, you lot can't win because you don't know the rules of the political game. The only nationalists who can win are the moderate parties such as the SNP and Plaid Cymru. Hardline political parties never win, because you have too many enemies.
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Johnny Hates Jazz 10:40 PM 19-08-2008
Originally Posted by Toque:
I assume nothing, it wouldn't cost you a brass farthing to be strident in differentiating yourselves from racist parties.
The English Democrats, have had Sikh and Moslem (Asian) Candidates at Local, Parliamentary and London Assembly elections, this DID
cost some money, ie Deposits and Leaflet Expenses, indeed we have probably invested over £3,000 in this strategy.
We can there with a clear conscience confirm that we HAVE tried to differentiate ourselves, and funnily enough we have recieved critism for these actions, as well as from yourself, for meeting ALL English Nationalist parties.
There is of course the expression, "You can't please ALL the people ALL the time".
Your assumption that it does not cost any money, yet again shows your lack of experience in practical politics.
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Toque 09:09 AM 20-08-2008
As I have now received a formal email from a senior member of the English Democrats threatening to have me arrested for harassment I couldn't possibly comment.
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They are traitors to the ethnic English who have no representation of their own. The other ethnic groups have their own groups and institutions but the English are denied. We even have laws passed against us by governments to ensure that other ethnic groups can take our jobs and communities; or haven't you noticed? I see nothing wrong with parity in this.
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Originally Posted by cassie:
It's a quaint notion of party membership which expects a political party and its members to adhere to advice proferred by a deliberate non-joiner!
Failure to join a party is failure to commit to that group. Consequently, less reliance can be prudently placed on the motives for particular advice from such sources.
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When are you going to stop criticising people all the time?
Toque has the option to join the EDP where he would be welcomed, as he would be with Free England. You on the other hand Cassie, would not. Remember, the EDP chucked you out, and you cannot blame one or two individuals for that, it was a well supported decision. Who was in the wrong, them or you?
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cassie 01:54 PM 20-08-2008
Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart:
When are you going to stop criticising people all the time?
When are YOU going to address the issue raised, instead of indulging in the very thing of which you complain?
Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart:
Toque has the option to join the EDP where he would be welcomed, as he would be with Free England. You on the other hand Cassie, would not.
I on the other hand would not what? Have the options? Just what is your point and how does it invalidate mine?
Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart:
Remember, the EDP chucked you out, and you cannot blame one or two individuals for that, it was a well supported decision. Who was in the wrong, them or you?
I can blame whomsoever I choose who was jointly or severally involved in that decision! At one time, the opinion that the sun revolved around the earth was well supported, but that did not render either Capernicus or, in turn, Galileo wrong. To answer your final question: THEY were wrong, of course - quite simply because the process followed was wrong, as I have explained to you at length. Of course, you are not obliged to accept that, anymore than the authorities accepted that the earth revolves around the sun!
I think it would be relevant for me to observe that, because one of those involved in the process to expel me (which was at variance with the code of conduct of his professional institute), is now an associate of yours and you now have an interest in supporting him, your position is now not only prejudiced, but prejudicial.
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