71% of Irish disagree with holding a 2nd referendum on the Lisbon treaty. If it was held again, 62% would vote against it in comparison to the original 54% during the 1st referendum.

The source is a Slovak newspaper. The article is about an opinion poll conducted in Ireland. Perhaps an English version is available in UK/Irish newspapers.

SME.sk | Íri sú proti druhému referendu o Lisabonskej zmluve
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There's a link on it here:


Libertas calls on government to heed opinion poll - Politics, Ireland - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

This is the bit I like best!

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From article...The Red C poll shows that 17 percent of those who voted for the treaty would change to a NO vote if they were faced with a second referendum.

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Ha. In your face Napoleon Sarkozy!!*



*I apologise for the lack of maturity in recent posts, but I'm just sick to death of it at the moment and so have resorted to child-like personas.
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Another link, 71% of Irish oppose a second referendum. :-)

Irish Reject Second Vote on Lisbon Treaty: Angus Reid Global Monitor
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This is some really good news for the cause.

(95% in the Daily Express poll saying we'd be better off out of the EU is also v. encouraging even though a self-selecting sample.)
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i just got some news in from Open Europe saying they will try to get the Irish people to vote agen some time in the winter of 2009
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Originally Posted by gremlin in the works:
i just got some news in from Open Europe saying they will try to get the Irish people to vote again some time in the winter of 2009

A policy fraught with danger for the EU and the present Irish government, I feel. Firstly there is a very real chance the Irish will vote 'NO' a second time. Brian Cowen would have to be absolutely certain he could get the vote through, or he simply would not risk it. The opinion polls would have to show a substantial solid 'YES' lead before he could even think of announcing a referendum.

Secondly the time frame you suggest would (I think) put the second Lisbon referendum just after the EU 'Parliament' elections, so Lisbon would be topical during the EU elections. Voter's resentment at lack of consultation over Lisbon could then manifest itself as lots of seats for anti - EU parties such as UKIP. That is the last thing the EU commission wants. On the face of it it looks like Lisbon may well be the first EU treaty to fail.
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Stephen Collins, Political Editor of the 'Irish Times', says that the Irish Parliament should go ahead and ratify the Lisbon Treaty anyway, whatever the people say.

A bit like Britain, really, except that they didn't even give us a referendum:

Ratify Lisbon Treaty regardless of referendum result - The Irish Times - Sat, Aug 02, 2008

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So that's now 2 Irish newspapers I've heard of which sound absolutely awful.
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Earthling: "So that's now 2 Irish newspapers I've heard of which sound absolutely awful..."

REPLY: Look back at the Danish referendum in 2000, when 38 out of the 40 main TV, radio and news media all strongly supported Denmark joining the euro, against just two that wanted to keep the Danish crown. Much to the irritation of the media and their mates in the political elite, the Danish voted 53% to 47% to keep their currency. And haven't looked back since.

It was much the same story (i.e. political elite + media vs. the people) in:

* The Swiss referendum on opening negotiations for membership of the E.U. 2000

* The Swedish referendum on the euro 2003

* The referendum on a North East regional elected assembly 2004

* The French referendim on the European Constitution 2004

* The Dutch referendum on the European Constitution 2004

* The Irish referendum on the Lisbon Treaty 2008.

Politicians + mates in the media - Pro further European integration.

People - not so sure.

I am becoming quite a fan of referendums

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