Originally Posted by Earthling:
UKIP did not vote for 42-days. The official view is we are against it. Bob Spink seemed to disagree and chose not to follow the party but it is not an endorsement of official UKIP policy

UKIP's only voice in the Commons voting for 42 days, no conflict there, honestly...
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Originally Posted by noachian:
Then why hasn't the EU done something about Nigel Farage? He is the biggest threat to Britain continued membership of the EU (aka; Britain only hope). Why isn't he in jail or been dumped on a desert island...or worse....is the EU truely democracitc? Are they willing to let him try and free the BRitish people if Britain is that vital to the EU's stability?

Well arresting or making one of the main leading anti-EU people vanish without any reason why would that not put the EU lot in the a tricky postion as a lot of question would be asked?,plus not all the people have yet come to see the EU as a threat to Britain yet have they.
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an unqualified yes.
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Sadly all parties are the same. Blair and Brown, before they were ministers said that Labour would get Britain out of the EU. William Hague was of the same opinion until he became shadow Leader and whatever David Cameron thinks now he will do a U-turn when he gets to government. For the record Margaret Thatcher regretted her actions in hindsight and wished she had known at the beginning what she knew at the end. She delivered a speech entitled Europe is trouble (too long to attach here). Our only hope is UKIP because it is only through the parliamentary process that we can leave this corrupt, undemocractic gaggle of criminals!
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A lot of talk about UKIP but the biggest anti EU party is the BNP.

Everyone thinks that BNP or the Greens will be the forth biggest party from recent local elections and the growth of support.

I hope that all anti EU parties will gain support and grow while campaigning to end the undemocratic EU state. UKIP and the BNP don’t just offer an escape from the EU they offer more local powers and representation with even an English parliament.
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Originally Posted by merrymaking311:
Sadly all parties are the same. Blair and Brown, before they were ministers said that Labour would get Britain out of the EU. William Hague was of the same opinion until he became shadow Leader and whatever David Cameron thinks now he will do a U-turn when he gets to government. For the record Margaret Thatcher regretted her actions in hindsight and wished she had known at the beginning what she knew at the end. She delivered a speech entitled Europe is trouble (too long to attach here). Our only hope is UKIP because it is only through the parliamentary process that we can leave this corrupt, undemocractic gaggle of criminals!

I don't have much faith in Thatcher. She was naive in her dealings with other European leaders and wrong to accept the Single European Act without the informed consent of the people. Is this speech online? Can you post a link to it?
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Originally Posted by The Nationalist:
A lot of talk about UKIP but the biggest anti EU party is the BNP.

You cannot talk about UKIP and the BNP in the same breath! UKIP are anti EU, but the BNP are anti any colour other than white being UK citizens! They think that emphasising their EUsceptic credentials they will kid other EUsceptics that they're on the same side!
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It is clear the two parties will allways have links and when you remove historic background of individuals the parties are allmost identical.

If the BNP did not exist the chances are that supporters would move to UKIP and in many cases the opposite would happen if UKIP did not exist. If it was not for UKIP I may have never joined the BNP and skin colour is not one of my concerns although it is part of my national identity.

I could just as easily support UKIP if I thought it could live up to its nationalist principles without being influenced by confused liberals.
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As a Former Constituency Young Conservative Chairman, an Honorary Life Member of Queen's University Belfast Ulster Unionist Association and a card-carrying Member of the UK Independence Party I voted NO.

However, does anyone else share my concern that UKIP have gone native by taking their seats in the hated European Parliament? It took me a long time before I joined UKIP as, after leaving the Conservative Party in 1989 I became immersed in Ulster Unionism, became a thorn in the side of the UUP after my much-loved mentor Jim (now Lord) Molyneaux retired from the Party Leadership in 1995 and the Party suddenly took a dramatic swing to the Left.

I was in no mood to join any party but, eventually, joined UKIP more out of admiration for the Tunbridge Wells UKIP Parliamentary Candidate and Association Chairman, Vic Webb, who has devoted untold hours and resources to fighting for the cause in Tunbridge Wells and the Home Counties. That said, despite contesting a Borough Council election for the Party in 2007 and again in 2008, at times I wonder if I shoud retain my membership, given the Party's appalling performance in the Henley by-election - if UKIP can poll so badly there, one has to ask oneself is there any hope of the Party doing well anywhere - and, more importantly, ever since the Party reversed its abstentionist approach to the European Parliament one cannot help feeling it to be hypocrtical to belong to something one opposes, and would be much happier were the UKIP MEPs to abstain from attending the European Parliament.

As things stand, as in previous years come next year's European Parliamentary Elections I shall either not vote at all or spoil my ballot paper as I cannot bring myself to vote UKIP if I know the UKIP candidate will take his/her seat in the haven of depravity known as the European Parliament. Any thoughts anyone?
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There wouldn't be much point in a candidate standing for the EP elections if he or she had no intention of taking up a seat. Not standing on principle is all very well if the electorate understands what is at stake (as when Sinn Fein refused to take their seats at Westminster) but people do feel they are voting for representation, and they won't vote for a party that won't fulfil that obligation. Without MEPs we'd have no platform from which to speak, no appearances on Question Time and even fewer quotes in the media.

I live in Sussex and I know how hard Vic Webb has worked for the party, and yet UKIP still polled a miserable result in the GE. I can't see how our MEPs refusing to take their seats in the EP would improve that. I can't see how anything would without a truly thinking electorate.
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