Stephen,

What I'm saying is, like you admit "international bodies, from the League of Nations onwards, through the UN, Europe, NATO, World Bank, IMF etc etc have all proven to be failures."

Therefore how should the answer be to intoduce more centralization of power ?

What I'm saying is that they create the "problem" and then provide even more regulation and more centralization as power as the "solution".

In reality the Bank Of England is a privately run institution run for the benefit of the elite who controls it.

You say "The answer is first to protect ourselves from the problems outside, by decoupling ourselves from the global economy" yet you say:

"secondly to support unilateral actions which work towards an answer to the crisis, along similar unliateral lines already taking place in the Global War Against Terror."

How is the "Global War Against Terror" or global economic reform unilateral ?

You've totally contradicted yourself in typical "doublespeak" manner.

By the way, don't talk about "conspiracy bodies", when you simply haven't a clue what you're referring to:

What about Former World Bank Vice President, Chief Economist and Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz who predicted the crisis ?

"Stiglitz agreed that the process of hijacking and looting key infrastructure on the part of the IMF and World Bank, as an offshoot of predatory globalization, has now moved from the third world to Europe, the United States and Canada."

Former World Bank Chief Economist Predicts Global Crash

"Speaking about the agenda of the World Bank since the installation of Paul Wolfowitz, Stiglitz highlighted the shift which began back in August 2001 whereby the Bush administration moved to block transparency of secret bank accounts, which in part facilitated the 9/11 terror attacks."

And even Michael Meacher and ex U.S government officials admit the war on terror is a hoax, yet you've been brainwashed like the majority to believe the media and that goverment want to "protect" you, and that there is some shadowy threat that means you should have your freedoms eroded.
I'm sorry but you're talking rubbish about what you don't understand.

You're wasting your time unless you learn the truth and stop being stuck in your unreal false paradigm.

You say:
"We work with the people who are doing the right things"

No !
You're believing the people who are lying to you that want to destroy your future, unless you believe what government and the media tells you of course ?

And who is "we" ?

It sounds like you're making yourself out to be someone who supports the establishment, not opposes it.

Do you stand for the truth or not ?
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Today on BBC News 24, the newscaster referred to the "world leaders at the United Nations", Bush was addressing them with regard to the $700bn bank buy out, I mean the bad debt buy out.
Excuse me but I thought that the members of th United Nations were "representatives" not freaking "Leaders", and definitely not, "world leaders".
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We are "civilians" and they are the gods whom we must obey and follow.....:-)
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Originally Posted by :
You say "The answer is first to protect ourselves from the problems outside, by decoupling ourselves from the global economy" yet you say:

"secondly to support unilateral actions which work towards an answer to the crisis, along similar uniliateral lines already taking place in the Global War Against Terror."

How is the "Global War Against Terror" or global economic reform unilateral ?

You've totally contradicted yourself in typical "doublespeak" manner.

There is a difference between the multilateral institutional bodies like the UN or Europe, who claim to speak for all the people within them, and who claim to act on behalf of all the people inside them, and a unilateral response like that made by the USA and by Britain (taking the example of Iraq) where the power of veto within the UN is ignored or by-passed and the people who are acting do so without the permission of those bodies.

Can you see the difference here?

The British have a right to take action against their economic problem, and a right to protect our own interests, without the permission of the international bodies like Europe or the IMF etc.
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The elite and the corporations want collapse of ALL currencies so they can introduce global goverment (i.e. one world government and world currency)

Why do you think you're always hearing about global "solutions" and "challenges", despite the fact that as they admit, it is a global problem created by the bankers and their puppet politicians who have engineered the crisis.

In referring to 'conspiracy bodies' I was criticising the point of view you express here. I don't accept your thesis that this crisis has been engineered deliberately. I don't think Stiglitz and the other people have the capacity to do this. The quotes you produce don't prove it.

Supposing for one moment that 'the elite and corporations' could engineer a collapse of all currencies, there is no guarantee at all that the global economy could be restarted afterwards. It would almost certainly be that the whole thing would collapse into looting, piracy and chaos on a massive scale. Your supposed goal of a one world government and currency would then be even further from 'their' grasp.

Even supposing the corporations might engineer such a thing (which I do not believe that they could) it would be a highly risky thing to do, with no certainties at all as to the results.
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Originally Posted by Stephen Booth:
In referring to 'conspiracy bodies' I was criticising the point of view you express here. I don't accept your thesis that this crisis has been engineered deliberately.

Ok.

Originally Posted by Stephen Booth:
I don't think Stiglitz and the other people have the capacity to do this.

Stiglitx is speaking out against it, not doing it - that's the fed's job amongst others.

Originally Posted by Stephen Booth:
The quotes you produce don't prove it.

True, but there is evidence that these major financial institutions are playing fowl across the board in many other economies....

Consider this interview with Greg Palast (Journalist for BBC and Observer)

The World Bank and the Secret Argentine Plan

Some very interesting revelations from IMF documents.....
Also if you consider that the dollar has been spoken down on by the very people who should be supporting it ?

IMF Badmouths The Dollar In Open Attack On American Middle Class

Originally Posted by Stephen Booth:
Supposing for one moment that 'the elite and corporations' could engineer a collapse of all currencies, there is no guarantee at all that the global economy could be restarted afterwards.

By collapse of all currencies, I mean destroying the value of currencies so that new currencies can be introduced on a more "union based" scale - i.e. the Amero to replace the Dollar, the Euro to possibly replace the pound.

A one world currency/government is the long term ideal for these people.

Economies boom and bust but the general standard of living goes down, and the private banks make huge profits from these economic cycles through consolidation of assets and insider trading on the markets.

Originally Posted by Stephen Booth:
It would almost certainly be that the whole thing would collapse into looting, piracy and chaos on a massive scale. Your supposed goal of a one world government and currency would then be even further from 'their' grasp.

What do you think the surveillence society, increased "security" and police state is being put in place for ?

Originally Posted by Stephen Booth:
Even supposing the corporations might engineer such a thing (which I do not believe that they could) it would be a highly risky thing to do, with no certainties at all as to the results.

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I agree but they already have all the money they need.
It is more a quest for power and control of world populations.

I wouldn't expect you to believe it without looking into it more, but I hope open minded people will take it seriously (but hey up to you....)
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We need to work with other countries when you're talking about global economics - that goes without saying - but I hope we'd all agree that the EU and the euro is not the answer to any of our problems.
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