Originally Posted by European Citizen:
I wonder how many of those who voted 'no' even looked at the Treaty, or understood what it sought to achieve. Given the voracious lies the 'no' campaign were peddling, I expect the result would be radically different if the Irish actually knew the truth about the Lisbon Treaty.

I have yet to see what these lies were nor how the yes campaign and europhiles in general are less dishonest than the eurosceptics.

I'm someone who is a stickler for political honesty and decency and I see about equal dishonesty on all sides.
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Originally Posted by spaman:
I wonder how many people who support the Lisbon treaty actually read it - by all accounts it is totally incoherent - and anybody who saw Bill Cash in the Commons and his attempts at adding some sanity to the bill will know why.

If the Irish knew the full truth about the treaty, and all the insidious loopholes and hidden agendas, then the 'NO' vote would have been much higher for sure.

Can you give a list of these insidious loopholes and a brief discussion of who is responsible for inserting them into the treaty? I ask solely for the benefit of those of us who don't know the full truth about the treaty.
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I always find it amazing that people will attack a respnse then expect someone else to provide them with answers that they know probably very well ............. This kind of thing is no longer original.

The information on the treaty has been widely available now for some time - all you have to is look at it again, afresh, without your rose tinted spectacles.
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