Tom Wise MEP in the European Parliament Ind - Dem Group UK Independence Party UKIP Eastern Region Region

Today I attended the Committee on Constitutional Affairs where the Commission Vice President, Margot Wallström, told us more about the procedures for ratifying the Lisbon Treaty.

We were told that the Irish "No" vote was a bit of a tragedy for the people of Europe, and were assured that the Irish people want more of Europe, but apparently some of them were a bit confused when they reached the ballot box, as they had not fully understood what a wonderful thing the Lisbon Treaty is!!!

There are, according to Ms Wallström, some demographic groups that are particularly likely to vote "No", and this is what is causing the problem. These awkward people include the younger voters aged between 18-25, the less well-off, women, and (and this one is great!) the uneducated.

So the implication is, the Irish want more of Europe, but were too stupid to vote "Yes".

So if you ever wondered what the upper echelons of the political elite think of you, now you know!

Tom Wise MEP
Brussels 06 Oct 2008
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She`s propbably correct ,even if her language is a little direct .


When I was Chairman of UKIP I looked into what the focus groups were telling us -and found out .......
Women are more eurosceptic than men, the chattering classes are basically europhile ,a lot of youngsters are anti EU (probablybecause it tells then what to do and they are anti anything like that -and good for them .)
The "man in the street " can`t stand the bloody thing .

UKIP`s membership was mainly lower middle class /working class with a few upper orders thrown in ,but then so was the Conservative Party at the time ,indeed the Tories were very worried that the profile of the average Tory voter was basically that of a labourer /working class .The Middle Classes had joined Tony .


It appears that the enemy of logical thinking seems to be testosterone and our so called education in this country .
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Originally Posted by gc:
Tom Wise MEP in the European Parliament Ind - Dem Group UK Independence Party UKIP Eastern Region Region

There are, according to Ms Wallström, some demographic groups that are particularly likely to vote "No", and this is what is causing the problem. These awkward people include ........ (and this one is great!) the uneducated.

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Classic Lies, by Ms Wallström! (how detached from reality she is!)

:-) :-)
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Does this mean there will be a revival of Irish jokes from the EU?
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Originally Posted by Nyge21:
!!!!

Classic Lies, by Ms Wallström! (how detached from reality she is!)

:-) :-)

thats what makes thoughs people so dangerous!!!
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Originally Posted by Millennium3:
Does this mean there will be a revival of Irish jokes from the EU?

Probably - but we should encourage some Irish jokes at the expense of the EU..

"An Irish man went into a barn and found an EU inspector in there ....

'What are you looking for,' said the Irishman.

'I have to make sure you're complying with EU regulation H783-pwi937/66a', said the inspector.

'What the f*** is H783-pwi937/66a when its at home', exclaimed the local.

'Well,' said the EU official, 'I have to ensure you are not breeding, supporting or hiding any of the following:
- the grossly undeducated
- younger voters aged between 18-25
- the less well-off
- women'

Now this seriously worried the Irishman, because his daughter was a school dropout of 23, and he loved her dearly, so reaching for his shotgun, he told the inspector where he should be going quickly to...

'But, but, but', managed the EU man, 'don't get upset now, you see, I have a little present for any of those - I'm not going to hurt them, it's just a little something to make them see the EU in a better light'.

'Oh, you mean you have a bribe to make them vote for the treaty - Why didn't you say so!'

The inspector spent some time getting the shot out of his rear end, after he had managed to escape the farmer...but strangely, no more such inspectors were spotted, for the EU must have gotten the message... Some of the Irish may lack education or worldlieness, or even be considered stupid by some, but one thing was for sure they are neither corrupt, nor insane.":-)
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I wonder how many of those who voted 'no' even looked at the Treaty, or understood what it sought to achieve. Given the voracious lies the 'no' campaign were peddling, I expect the result would be radically different if the Irish actually knew the truth about the Lisbon Treaty.
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I think the Irish understood it well enough. Lisbon means more power for a corrupt centralised anti-democratic 'super state'. Who but a moron would vote for that?

As for 'voracious lies', what do you think our pro EU elites have been doing for years? Of course it's easy to see why. When the fail to get elected, or get booted out of office they have a nice cosy little club in Brussels to go to, where they won't be troubled by nasty grubby voters and their nasty grubby yearnings for things like democracy and accountability.

If you don't believe me just ask Neil Kinnock. After all, he seemed to do "Well Alllllriiiight" out of his tenure as an EU commissioner!
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Interesting that Tom Wise's website is still up in the previous UKIP format even though he is no longer a UKIP MEP
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Originally Posted by European Citizen:
I wonder how many of those who voted 'no' even looked at the Treaty, or understood what it sought to achieve. Given the voracious lies the 'no' campaign were peddling, I expect the result would be radically different if the Irish actually knew the truth about the Lisbon Treaty.

I wonder how many people who support the Lisbon treaty actually read it - by all accounts it is totally incoherent - and anybody who saw Bill Cash in the Commons and his attempts at adding some sanity to the bill will know why.

If the Irish knew the full truth about the treaty, and all the insidious loopholes and hidden agendas, then the 'NO' vote would have been much higher for sure.
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