The Polish shipyard that was a focal point for their struggle against communism is likely to be sold off in a communist-style national asset stripping by the EU.
.................Bloggers 4 UKIP: EU to asset strip Polish shipyards
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Originally Posted by brad12jy:
The Polish shipyard that was a focal point for their struggle against communism is likely to be sold off in a communist-style national asset stripping by the EU.
.................Bloggers 4 UKIP: EU to asset strip Polish shipyards

If you read the report you will see the shipyards were guilty of receiving illegal state subsidies.

In this case the EU is quite correct to shut it down.

The free market is an infinitely preferable alternative to the old system of communist-style subsidies that crippled industry for so long.
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To dismiss this as

Originally Posted by :
The free market is an infinitely preferable alternative to the old system of communist-style subsidies that crippled industry for so long.

...is far too easy.

By that reckoning a country would never be able to defend something vital to its survival ...banks, for example.

We all know the infamous EU Competition policy is flawed in many respects, and the rules applied too rigidly.


If I had any say in this I'd ask the EU's Competition Commissioner to go and play somewhere else - find something useful to do, like counting how many eurocrats it would take to reach the moon if they all stood on each others heads........... and then I'd ask him to stop bloody interferring.
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Illegal under Polish law? Nope. It's illegal under EU law and as usual, what the EU decides is illegal is more important than what a member state's government decides is legal.
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I agree Wonkostone. The EU is not a state, it has little rights here.
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Originally Posted by spaman:
To dismiss this as ...is far too easy.

By that reckoning a country would never be able to defend something vital to its survival ...banks, for example.

Good point. Although I can't reconcile my free market, libertarian, capitalist leanings with the bail out of the banks with our hard-earned money.

Is it a good thing in the long term to subsidise unprofitable banks with our money?

I don't think so.

The sooner the banks are back in private hands, the better.

I certainly don't agree with subsidies for ship building.

The industries of Glasgow and Liverpool were once almost exclusively based upon ship building.

After the ship building industries there went belly-up they were forced to adjust to the harsh economic realities.

Now they are both thriving cities and should be held up as an example to the Polish of how to adapt to globalisation.
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If they are shipyards in Danzig and Stettin they were stolen from their legal owners after the last war anyway.

What I want to know is when all these communist countries will be restoring business, land, homes, factories, etc etc to all those people whom they stole them from now that they in the EU. The EU, if it really believes in the sanctity of private property, should be saying to all these ex-communist states that before any subsidies from the EU are granted that they must hand back all property stolen by communist decrees. Otherwise communism and utter corruption wins and decency and Western civilisation fail.
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Originally Posted by wonkotsane:
Illegal under Polish law? Nope. It's illegal under EU law and as usual, what the EU decides is illegal is more important than what a member state's government decides is legal.

When Poland restores its pre-war Constitution and repeals all the Soviet-sponsored communist legislation since 1945 then we shall respect them.
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Perhaps they just feel it is better not to open old wounds. The situation is very complicated.
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Originally Posted by Charlemagne:
Good point. Although I can't reconcile my free market, libertarian, capitalist leanings with the bail out of the banks with our hard-earned money.

Is it a good thing in the long term to subsidise unprofitable banks with our money?

I don't think so.

The sooner the banks are back in private hands, the better.

I certainly don't agree with subsidies for ship building.

The industries of Glasgow and Liverpool were once almost exclusively based upon ship building.

After the ship building industries there went belly-up they were forced to adjust to the harsh economic realities.

Now they are both thriving cities and should be held up as an example to the Polish of how to adapt to globalisation.

I don't disagree with the direction of your argument - I just oppose any attempt by the EU to impose their mixed up concepts on us all ....
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