Originally Posted by Danny:
THE GOOD FRIDAY agreement says and I quote that northern Ireland shall remain part of the United kingdom while the vast majority supports it.That was supported in a referendum in june 1998 with over 72 percent support.and it was under pinned with the principle of consent.Of the people of northern ireland so there for its up to the people of northen ireland if any futher changes Ie the land border with the republic happens and this can only come about in a referendum.So there for if Independence for england comes about it will only come about in a referendum of the people of England and there is not majority support for it.

You have come up with a point totally irrelevant to the discussion! If you were so bothered about a land border, you would be encouraging the unification of Ireland.
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THE GOOD FRIDAY agreement says and I quote that northern Ireland shall remain part of the United kingdom while the vast majority supports it.That was supported in a referendum in june 1998 with over 72 percent support.and it was under pinned with the principle of consent.Of the people of northern ireland so there for its up to the people of northen ireland if any futher changes Ie the land border with the republic happens and this can only come about in a referendum.So there for if Independence for england comes about it will only come about in a referendum of the people of England and there is not majority support for it.

I have had to repost it it got mixed up.Martin you asked a question about land borders you get an answer about Ireland you are totally lacking judgement and should read over your posts before responding.you are not making any case what so for independence and have had your case blowen out of the water.
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Originally Posted by :
Oh yes, I forgot the land border between NI and the ROI affected England, not.

To a degree it did, anyone that passes into Northern Ireland from the Republic can then enter England without any border checks. This isn't a problem 99% of the time, but it has been in the past.
Members of the IRA held land that crossed over the border, and where able to transfer weapons and supporters across the border under the noses of the British Army. Once they where in Northern Ireland they could then easily get across to England/Scotland without problem.
Although there was a free travel zone between Britain and the Republic in the troubles, the Customs officers did check traffic from Hollyhead to Dublin for example.

Ea of dune
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Originally Posted by Danny:

I have had to repost it it got mixed up.Martin you asked a question about land borders you get an answer about Ireland you are totally lacking judgement and should read over your posts before responding.you are not making any case what so for independence and have had your case blowen out of the water.

You keep shifting ground. You clearly oppose English independence because of the border issue, but you don't support Irish unification which would solve the border issue. You are just a hypocrite.
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Come on then Danny, please explain how you have blown our case for independence out of the water. Your provide no facts, documents, evidence or anything else. Simply because you say you have blown our case away it doesn't mean it is so!
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
You keep shifting ground. You clearly oppose English independence because of the border issue, but you don't support Irish unification which would solve the border issue. You are just a hypocrite.

I am not shifing ground at all martin you are getting to excited with your self.I have posted an example of a border land issue you totally brush it off because you have blinkered eyes only for Independence you sound like Ian paisley in northern ireland when he says no surrender to the IRA Martin thompson says No surrender to English Independence Now come back and lets debate you are losing the debate thats why you post in the manner you do
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
You keep shifting ground. You clearly oppose English independence because of the border issue, but you don't support Irish unification which would solve the border issue. You are just a hypocrite.

I'm sure that the good majority of Unionists would want to allow Northern Ireland to merge with the Republic of Ireland if that's what the majority of the population wanted.
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I think Northern Ireland is going to be an odd case in the future at any rate.
Does anybody know if there are plans for EU regions in Ireland for example?
I would have thought the EU would want to split Ireland down based upon the old geographical boundies such as Ulster, Munster etc. and NI is only a section of Ulster?

Ea of dune
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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist:
I'm sure that the good majority of Unionists would want to allow Northern Ireland to merge with the Republic of Ireland if that's what the majority of the population wanted.

good post
I think that is true but as you say it would be up to the population.
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There is no problem with having a land border with any other state (as long as that state is not hostile, of course). I cannot see that it is helpful for Unionists or anyone else to advance that argument.
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