Ignore him, Northumbrian. All he can do is pick arguments with people more intelligent than him which is virtually everyone on this forum.
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Originally Posted by Ken:
Ignore him, Northumbrian. All he can do is pick arguments with people more intelligent than him which is virtually everyone on this forum.

Point 1: I did not initiate this dubious thread.
Point 2: You are clearly incapable of contributing anything of value here.
Point 3: You are guilty of that about which you whine.
Point 4: If you understood that you were 'picking an argument', you are a hypocrite.
Point 5: If you do not understand that were 'picking an argument' you are as dim as a Toc H lamp, and that's very dim!

:-) :-) :-)


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Originally Posted by cassie:
It is a conditional argument not reliant upon 'evidence'! Did you not notice the word 'if'?

Now! What was the question you referred to in Post#13?

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'if Salmond has the power to hold a referendum about Scotland's independence from the UK, he also have the power to hold one about adopting the Lisbon Treaty or even about Scotland's independence from the EU.'

The only condition is whether he has the power to a referendum on Scottish independence. If he has that power you then state it as a fact he has these other powers.

YOU have now got to PROVE that 'fact'.

And if you can't prove it, please have the courtesy to provide your reasoning behind this statement.
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
'if Salmond has the power to hold a referendum about Scotland's independence from the UK, he also have the power to hold one about adopting the Lisbon Treaty or even about Scotland's independence from the EU.'

The only condition is whether he has the power to a referendum on Scottish independence. If he has that power you then state it as a fact he has these other powers.

YOU have now got to PROVE that 'fact'.

And if you can't prove it, please have the courtesy to provide your reasoning behind this statement.

Oh dear! You really don't understand English do you?

I suggest you obtain a definition of what is a fact before you proceed any further.


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'if Salmond has the power to hold a referendum about Scotland's independence from the UK, he also have the power to hold one about adopting the Lisbon Treaty or even about Scotland's independence from the EU.'

Well come on. Tell why this is so? Am i suppose to accept this at face value?
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
'if Salmond has the power to hold a referendum about Scotland's independence from the UK, he also have the power to hold one about adopting the Lisbon Treaty or even about Scotland's independence from the EU.'

Well come on. Tell why this is so? Am i suppose to accept this at face value?

It is the application of logic. It is akin to saying: "If you can walk to work, you can walk home".

I will operate your approach. Are YOU saying that "Even if Salmond has the power to hold a referendum about Scotland's independence from the UK, he does NOT also have the power to hold one about adopting the Lisbon Treaty or even about Scotland's independence from the EU."?


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Originally Posted by cassie:
It is the application of logic. It is akin to saying: "If you can walk to work, you can walk home".

I will operate your approach. Are YOU saying that "Even if Salmond has the power to hold a referendum about Scotland's independence from the UK, he does NOT also have the power to hold one about adopting the Lisbon Treaty or even about Scotland's independence from the EU."?

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Your first statment does not correllate to your example.

You have not realised I've been playing a game with you here. Any MP is entitled to propose a bill on Scottish independence at Westminster. The first part of your premise has no value.

The only thing that requires answering is that Scotland can't leave the EU because it's not an independent state. Simple as.
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
Your first statment does not correllate to your example.

You have not realised I've been playing a game with you here. Any MP is entitled to propose a bill on Scottish independence at Westminster. The first part of your premise has no value.

The only thing that requires answering is that Scotland can't leave the EU because it's not an independent state. Simple as.

You've misunderstood as usual. Salmond is proposing to hold a referendum in Scotland under the auspices of the Scottish Parliament.

You may have the last word here. Enjoy your game.


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Originally Posted by cassie:
You've misunderstood as usual. Salmond is proposing to hold a referendum in Scotland under the auspices of the Scottish Parliament.

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So what?

Why don't you ask him if he's planning a referendum on the EU?
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The fact that the Lisbon Treaty would probably ban Scotland from withdrawing from the United Kingdom is no doubt one reason why Gordon Brown is determined to ratify it. Salmond is a moron if he believes that France and Spain to name two EU countries wouldn't have something to say about his 'independence' plans.
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