Originally Posted by david H:
I largely agree with strengthening our links to "Shires" but there are serious problems with local auhorities who use local votes to claim legitimacy but after being elected act as agents for developers against the interests of the community.
I have suggested that the office of "Lords lieutenant, which is appointed by the Monarch, " should be expanded and with a brief to protect local communities." This is a suggestion and would need discussing.

That seems to me more a problem of constitution making, in the broad sense. Today people don't care much about the local council and it is marginalised.
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Originally Posted by Ea of Dune:
LE(s) - Exactly, and I am thoroughly against the EU and the EU regional assemblies for exactly this reason. However a lot of the blame does lay in the hands of Labour for allowing all this to happen.
I agree with regards to the spending, it should be fairly spent across the board. Advocating the handing back powers to the shires does not some how remove the need for central government, rather it provides a counter balance to it.

Ea of dune

That depends, personally I sceptical of the "need" for the central gov't past defence and foreign affairs and this can be done by regional and county delegates meeting and deciding on these things. The problem with simply counties and the central gov't is there is a large gulf and unless the central gov't is watched greatly it will likely swallow up the powers of the counties over time. Giving some power and identity to historical regions would be a better counterbalance than the central gov't alone.
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Originally Posted by Little Englander (sour):
Supposing all this "regionalisation took place, would an attack on Cornwall be deemed an attack on Yorkshire and the rest of the regionalised governments? .

The Cornish regionalists wish to secede from England, they are not English regionalists in the way we are talking about.
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I thought so especially as there are plans to do away with local councils under some EU arrangement. But I think the same people will remain and the EU through the government is giving local authorities(bureaucrats) the power to levy fines instead of criminal courts. Their undemocratic functions are being increased. The "Bin arrests" being widely reported.
Another spect is the devlopment of Authoritarian Bureaucracy. There are layers of watchdogs set up ostensibly to protect the rights of the public. In practice they cover up for various departments who work for the "post democratic state"- Local government Ombudsman is one of the most notorious in this respect as is the Health Care Commission. They look at the complaint , then represent the the views of the organisation to discount those of the member of the public.
I would welcome views of UKIP supporters on this as it probably stems from the EU.
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Originally Posted by david H:
I thought so especially as there are plans to do away with local councils under some EU arrangement. But I think the same people will remain and the EU through the government is giving local authorities(bureaucrats) the power to levy fines instead of criminal courts. Their undemocratic functions are being increased. The "Bin arrests" being widely reported.
Another spect is the devlopment of Authoritarian Bureaucracy. There are layers of watchdogs set up ostensibly to protect the rights of the public. In practice they cover up for various departments who work for the "post democratic state"- Local government Ombudsman is one of the most notorious in this respect as is the Health Care Commission. They look at the complaint , then represent the the views of the organisation to discount those of the member of the public.
I would welcome views of UKIP supporters on this as it probably stems from the EU.

Bureaucracy seems to be one of those curses of modern civilisation. I'd recommend that more power be given to the local authorities so they become more important and people take more notice of them and that they become more democratic and participartory. But it is also a problem of society as a whole, the realm of the political needs to shrink and that of social and individual, but particulalry the social, grow.
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The probem is it is going he other way. Council officials can now impose on the spot fines. I notice UKIP are silent on this. That is why he have so little support - they are aloof from ordinary people and their concerns. The BNP members join in all the debates!
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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
The Cornish regionalists wish to secede from England, they are not English regionalists in the way we are talking about.

So you initiated this thread on a bogus basis!

English nationalists should be aware that this person was born in Scotland and raised there. He lived briefly in Cornwall and is now domiciled - however temporarily or otherwise - in Australia.

As with many born in Scotland, he flies under false colours!

He hates me mentioning these factors, and will probably go ape, calling me a 'moron' amongst other things. You see, people like him have grown accustomed to inflicting their opinions on the English for literally decades without any of us taking exception. Well, the worm has turned and, no matter how unpopular I become [or am alleged to have become by the likes of him!], I am determined that such opinions will not go unchallenged if possible.

Frankly, as a true born Englishman, I've had my fill of non-English people - like Blair, Brown, Falconer, Reid, Browne and Prescott et al - laying down the law about what should or should not happen to England. I wish he'd go away and pontificate on so called Cornish independence sites, but I suspect he knows the audience there will be digital!

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English nationalists should be aware of people like you who boast aout being ethnically English, insult Scotch people, and then call all other ethnic groups, who were born here English. The EDP are frauds.
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I revert to my original point about local councils becoming dictatorial. I have had to spend a couple of days in Coventry. It is hideously ugly and only people supporting interests groups could do that to their home city. The council are agents for developers.
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David H> Yes I agree. I think that when handing pwoers back to councils, democracy has to be the main keystone that holds it together. Interest groups are often NOT democratic. They bully their way into power and access to public funding. Most of this bullying comes from trying to guilt trip society.
If the people of Coventry had their say I'm sure more money would be spent on encouraging jobs and redeveloping their city centre rather than "Out reach" centres for every pressue group in the city.
I have always supported a reformed version of zoning. This would allow the local people to vote on having areas made preservation zones which would ban all building in the area i.e. historic city districts and medieval villages. I also spport innovation zones which would allow people to choose Brown field sites etc. which could be turned over for innovative building designs (encourage our young architects) or sold off to individuals who want to build their own houses without red tape getting in the way.

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