FEP and English regionalist movements.

Originally Posted by david H:
English nationalists should be aware of people like you who boast about being ethnically English, insult Scotch people, and then call all other ethnic groups, who were born here English. The EDP are frauds.

I am accustomed to the somewhat limited comprehension you have to bring to these threads david H, so let me clarify a few of your misrepresentations.

1. I do not 'boast' about being English, I merely state this welcome fact to separate me from all those non-English people who insist upon pronouncing on matters which affect England, often without revealing that they are not one of us.

2. You may regard it as insulting to point out the non-English origins of others, but I do not. So your inaccurate remark says more about you than about me!

3. It is somewhat dishonest to inflate an alleged insult about a single person into insulting a whole nation! Once again, your inaccurate remarks reveal more about you than about me!

4. It is not only dishonest but a gross misrepresentation of my opinions to assert that I "call all other ethnic groups who were born here English" and I challenge you to adduce the evidence for such a misrepresentation? Your failure to do so in you next post here will demonstrate further what kind of person YOU are! 'Shallow' is the word which most readily springs to my mind.

5. For the avoidance of doubt, I am not a member of the EDP nor, for that matter, the FEP. You are perfectly entitled to hold the opinion that "The EDP are frauds" but if you expect to be taken seriously by anyone who has risen far beyond juvenile mentality, you'll need to support such assertions with fact or argument if not both! Failing that, it is merely schoolboy abuse of the most childish kind!

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So you initiated this thread on a bogus basis!

English nationalists should be aware that this person was born in Scotland and raised there. He lived briefly in Cornwall and is now domiciled - however temporarily or otherwise - in Australia.

What the hell are you talking about you troll? I lived for ten years in Scotland and 16 in Cornwall. And I'm discussing English regionalists and was just telling people that the discussion was not on Cornish ones who are different ideologically in they don't consider themselves English.

Your presence is not wanted in this thread, go troll somewhere else.

Everyone should know you are a liar, many times have I told you I have spent longer in Cornwall than Scotland and lived there from when I was ten and that I'm in Australia caring for a sick parent. But you continue to bring this up because you are a troll and a general nasty piece of work.

Mods can something really not be done about this troll?

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Ethnicty does not depend on where you live.

After all, a certain infamous Scotsman (a Mr G Brown) lives in England ... and has not quite fully attained English ethnicity...

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
What the hell are you talking about you troll? I lived for ten years in Scotland and 16 in Cornwall. And I'm discussing English regionalists and was just telling people that the discussion was not on Cornish ones who are different ideologically in they don't consider themselves English.

Your presence is not wanted in this thread, go troll somewhere else.

Everyone should know you are a liar, many times have I told you I have spent longer in Cornwall than Scotland and lived there from when I was ten and that I'm in Australia caring for a sick parent. But you continue to bring this up because you are a troll and a general nasty piece of work.

Mods can something really not be done about this troll?

I think people are entitled to know the background of those promoting opinions about their nation. In many spheres it is 'declaring an interest' and local councillors (as but one example) are not only expected, but required to declare specified interests.

This minimises the possibility of being misled - as so often the English have been misled - by false impressions that particular opinions were being expressed someone who was other than had been assumed to be the case.

You Bonnie Dundee are obviously well aware of this factor, as evidenced by your vitriolic and unreasonable reaction! You are even silly enough to call me a liar [assuming that you even know and understand what is a liar!] According to you, I am a moron and now a liar.

I conclude that you are yet another who would prefer to 'sail under false colours'! I draw this conclusion because, no matter how times others alluded to my origins, it would not evoke the violent reactions in me that it clearly does in you.

Once again, you're making an unseemly ass of yourself!

I firmly object to your notions of regionalisation and fragmentation of England, and I am ensuring that those who read 'em know your background! :-)

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I like David's suggestions and if I may say so I think, and almost always have, that Ea of Dune has some wonderful conceptual ideas as well as practical ones.

Silver Falcon of East Anglia. :-)

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Originally Posted by david H:
I revert to my original point about local councils becoming dictatorial. I have had to spend a couple of days in Coventry. It is hideously ugly and only people supporting interests groups could do that to their home city. The council are agents for developers.

I'm afraid that this is yet another superficial and facile opinion about local councils.

We now live in an era of inadequate councillors most of them put up by parties which merely require their policies to be supported. Further investigation of what actually goes on in councils reveals that councillors are often led by their noses! By whom? By their paid employees from the chief executive down of course!

Planning officers (for example) usually enjoy great power because they frequently [almost invariably?] justify their position by claiming that it is either 'in accordance with planning principles' or 'required by government policy' or 'pursuant to the regional spatial strategy etc' or a combination of all three! Ignorant councillors or those lacking the confidence to question these [and other employees eg in the highways sphere], cow tow to council officials' schemes! It is paid council officials who are usually the 'dictators', who are usually responsible for the state of affairs in particular councils.

Of course, it is so much easier to refer to 'local councillors becoming dictatorial'! More effort is required to analyse particular situations more accurately!

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You wrote in a recent post that nationalty depends on where you live. Or did you not? The EDP believe members of other ethnic groups living in England are English, do they not?

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Originally Posted by david H:
You wrote in a recent post that nationality depends on where you live. Or did you not? The EDP believe members of other ethnic groups living in England are English, do they not?

No, why should they?

Do try and get this clear in your mind: the primary objective of the EDP is the creation of a separate parliament and executive for England!

To attain the objective, it is no more necessary to define who is or who is not English are more than it was necessary to define who are Scottish and who are Welsh for the creation of THEIR devolved bodies.

It is only those who are obsessed with race or who are anti-English who persist in raising such issues!

Having said that, it must be of interest to be aware of the origins of those seeking to prescribe the constitutional arrangements for England, so that those likely to be affected by such opinions can take into account the interests, the motives of non-English people.

You will look in vain for a definition I have recorded about English nationality, although I have commented about some of its elements. Given that there are a number of elements in nationality, I challenge you to find a post by me which states: "nationality depends on where you live" which implies that it is solely dependent upon that! :-)

I am confident that this is yet another challenge you will not be able to meet.

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