In relation to the Pin Green by election and another thread with the title when will FEP over take UKIP written by Constantine.I would think it would be laugable and a total farce if as almost seems certain given UKIP pathatic record in council elections they FEP would then claim to have over taken UKIP.Because it seems that FEP are preparing the ground for such an announcement as seems certain if they FEP beat UKIP in Pin Green.Watch this story unfold folks.It should be quite amusing
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Lets face it. Not many parties haven't over-taken UKIP. If FEP do out vote UKIP it will give their morale a boost but it will mean very little to most people outside of UKIP.
The decline of UKIP mirrors that of the union.
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Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS:
The decline of UKIP mirrors that of the union.

The Union is certainly on the decline, it makes me wonder if members of UKIP are in denial? Surely it is obvious that the Scots and Welsh will be gaining more and more autonomy. In Scotland the Tories, Labour and the LibDems are giving more and more concessions to the Scots since this is what the people of Scotland want (and in the vain hope of keeping the SNP out of power).

UKIP is the only major (if it still is?) party which clings to the ridiculous notion that the Scots and Welsh will abandon their own Parliaments and become equal members of the Union.

To all UKIP members I would say have a good look at the EDP or FEP and see what they can offer. The future for this country will be devolutionary whether any of us like it or not. What we must all do is to get a fair deal for England.
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Originally Posted by moe:
To all UKIP members I would say have a good look at the EDP or FEP and see what they can offer. The future for this country will be devolutionary whether any of us like it or not. What we must all do is to get a fair deal for England.

I don't think EDP or FEP have much to offer all those UKIP members from Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Further, the EDP give the impression of being in far bigger trouble than UKIP could ever be regarded and are a small fraction of the size of UKIP. It is true that FEP are progressing with their even tinier membership but I'm not so sure there aren't problems ahead for them as they continue to grow. For example the party leader on this very forum made an implied criticism of a senior party figure on the issue of deals with other parties. I know they would totally deny that there are any problems or disagreements but the seeds for internal conflict exist even if they haven't yet been planted.

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I agree with you moe that the constitution needs to change in order, "to get a fair deal for England", and I broadly support the policy suggestions from UKIP on this issue. Therefore I'll stick with them for now and if that led to the end of the Union then I'm not going to fight a war to save it and I doubt UKIP members in the rest of the Union would expect such a war to be fought.
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Originally Posted by Independent UKIP:
I don't think EDP or FEP have much to offer all those UKIP members from Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

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Erm! Remind me what it is that UKIP offers those members?
For example there have been council by-elections in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales since May but UKIP has not stood in a single one.
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Originally Posted by Independent UKIP:
I don't think EDP or FEP have much to offer all those UKIP members from Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Further, the EDP give the impression of being in far bigger trouble than UKIP could ever be regarded and are a small fraction of the size of UKIP. It is true that FEP are progressing with their even tinier membership but I'm not so sure there aren't problems ahead for them as they continue to grow. For example the party leader on this very forum made an implied criticism of a senior party figure on the issue of deals with other parties. I know they would totally deny that there are any problems or disagreements but the seeds for internal conflict exist even if they haven't yet been planted.

I assure you that the Free England Party is not a non-discussion area. You would expect in any group to have debate and discussion, and also some level of disagreement. At present, overall the party seems a very happy ship. I hope very much it stays that way and will do what I can to keep it so.

For the record, at the recent NEC meeting, there was spoken unanimity about not doing deals with other parties.

In that meeting, I made the following plea to the NEC - that they give me feedback on what I/the party could do better.

A good example of the NEC deciding policy where I am in the minority was on the subject of Cornwall. I understand where some of the Cornish are coming from on the subject of not being English and wanting independence. My NEC colleagues disagree - so I go with the flow.

I have made this reply, as I wanted to counter an impression of our having a top-down culture.

The whole spirit of the party is not about the small, efficient and honest core of officials at the centre, but is about our members and supporters setting England alight in the campaign for national independence.

Our officials will also 'walk the walk' in that we get no expenses, we put money into the party and we stand in elections wherever we can. Richard for example is standing in his second election this year.
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What on earth has the last number of posts got to do with the pin green by election.? The thread topic for debate.The thread has gone off into no mans land.As per usual in this section
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Do try to keep up with things Donny,like it or not,all those posts are relative to this thread.

If you need help,raise your hand and one of us will come and help you through things.
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Originally Posted by Jeff:
Do try to keep up with things Donny,like it or not,all those posts are relative to this thread.

If you need help,raise your hand and one of us will come and help you through things.

The thread topic for debate has got off topic three to four posts ago.I am afraid jeff you got it wrong
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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine:
A good example of the NEC deciding policy where I am in the minority was on the subject of Cornwall.

Stick to your guns Mr Constantine. I can't see the Cornish (non?) question going down a bomb on the doorsteps of Pin Green, but although Cornish nationalism is a minority movement whose returns at the ballot box are limited, it is undeniably growing, and forward looking english nationalists will be wise to adopt a pragmatic, flexible approach. At the very least the FEP should adopt policies encouraging regional pride -something Cornwall undoubtibly has.
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