I thought it was for Danny to make personal attacks on other posters. Don't the mods mind?
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Originally Posted by david H:
I thought it was for Danny to make personal attacks on other posters. Don't the mods mind?

Obviously not. I think the powers that be are awaiting a chance to dump the section. The only problem is that with it will go the source of trolling. Huge conundrum, this. What is to be done?

Oh my god, that's the title of the thread.

Mill 3, the debate is being pushed off course by Danny. Or cassie, depends on whether one of his enemies posts. That is obvious. Why is it allowed? Who knows? If those of us who can't take any more of this abysmally infantile situation leave, then no one posts for ages and threads die. People actually think this is an improvement. No wonder Labour keeps getting back into power. They appear that easily led.

If those of us who leave return, the trolls immediately start up again. If Andrew opens his mouth, Danny is there to show him up, with some fatally stupid excuse that this is a manifestation of "debate". "I relish", said he, the chance to debate with the FEP. How amusing. And where is this great debate, then? All it consists of is nasty illiterate jibes at Constantine, Northumbrian, Richard or anyone else who pipes up.

Where has the thread title gone? Nowhere. As planned.

People could join the FEP forum and debate things there, but they don't seem to want to. They seem to prefer engaging in this troll-oriented bs on here. That's populism. The people get what the people want. Ask and ye shall receive. If we get rubbish, then we have to ask ourselves if we maybe didn't ask for it without realising it. We sent out a message that we preferred this, so we got the jumbo serving.

I don't believe the situation can be addressed until the people desire something else, or are willing to fight to achieve it. If they keep shooting their messengers then they will never know what it's like to send back an answer, or engage in debate. All they will know is what they have always known - yesmanship and a slap on the wrist. To a large extent, we get what we deserve in this world and we get what we deserve because we ask for it or shoot the messenger bringing some alternative.

Because none of the trolls on here can write what I've just written, or think outside the box, they seek to shoot those who can.
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I just wanted to issue a gentle reminder that C_steam had given a warning - he is not online at the moment. I understood there had been a general improvement all round.

That said, I was disappointed that the theme of the tread was not explored more fully. I am not sure what the stand of the various 'English' parties is in relationship to the break up of the Union, however, given the 'peak food' issue which I referred to in my post - I would have thought that it is essential for England that the Union continues. Although with such a low density of population in Scotland, I can see that the Scots would see the break up very much to their advantage.

Is there any chance that this issue can be debated to conclusion without personal attacks?
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Originally Posted by Millennium3:
I just wanted to issue a gentle reminder that C_steam had given a warning - he is not online at the moment. I understood there had been a general improvement all round.

That said, I was disappointed that the theme of the tread was not explored more fully. I am not sure what the stand of the various 'English' parties is in relationship to the break up of the Union, however, given the 'peak food' issue which I referred to in my post - I would have thought that it is essential for England that the Union continues. Although with such a low density of population in Scotland, I can see that the Scots would see the break up very much to their advantage.

Is there any chance that this issue can be debated to conclusion without personal attacks?

An answer to your final question is, yes, and no. It depends on who is posting.

Peak food, like peak oil, is something that will pass with time and circumstance. Some of peak food's problems are tied up with the replacement of edible crops with crops grown for energy purposes. This hasn't been at all successful and hasn't helped in maintaining forestation either. There have been problems with crops grown for the anti-genetically modified food plant group. The world is suffering from climatic upheaval, etc. But these things will pass and as we speak new fields of agricultural technology are opening up. China is growing, and packaging, vast quantities of food not previously received into the open market from this source. What is now known as "modern Arabia" is greening the desert and desalination is growing as a twenty-first century enterprise that is changing the face of tourist destinations and living space orientation.

What is to be done must be done with an eye focused expertly on what is being done elsewhere and on the future, not the past. Humans are racing toward peak population and this is more important than anything else and affects both peak food and peak oil. To say nothing of peak finance. :-)

Some things in the future of every developing nation will be globally oriented. That is something people will have to bear in mind. There can be no shutting oneself off from the international community because the world we have made is one of instant communication technology and shared resources. No one will survive if they try to cut themselves off from this phenomenon, but they can go some way toward working out how to deal with this situation to their advantage.
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Originally Posted by SilverFalcon:
Obviously not. I think the powers that be are awaiting a chance to dump the section. The only problem is that with it will go the source of trolling. Huge conundrum, this. What is to be done?

Oh my god, that's the title of the thread.

Mill 3, the debate is being pushed off course by Danny. Or cassie, depends on whether one of his enemies posts. That is obvious. Why is it allowed? Who knows? If those of us who can't take any more of this abysmally infantile situation leave, then no one posts for ages and threads die. People actually think this is an improvement. No wonder Labour keeps getting back into power. They appear that easily led.

If those of us who leave return, the trolls immediately start up again. If Andrew opens his mouth, Danny is there to show him up, with some fatally stupid excuse that this is a manifestation of "debate". "I relish", said he, the chance to debate with the FEP. How amusing. And where is this great debate, then? All it consists of is nasty illiterate jibes at Constantine, Northumbrian, Richard or anyone else who pipes up.

Where has the thread title gone? Nowhere. As planned.

People could join the FEP forum and debate things there, but they don't seem to want to. They seem to prefer engaging in this troll-oriented bs on here. That's populism. The people get what the people want. Ask and ye shall receive. If we get rubbish, then we have to ask ourselves if we maybe didn't ask for it without realising it. We sent out a message that we preferred this, so we got the jumbo serving.

I don't believe the situation can be addressed until the people desire something else, or are willing to fight to achieve it. If they keep shooting their messengers then they will never know what it's like to send back an answer, or engage in debate. All they will know is what they have always known - yesmanship and a slap on the wrist. To a large extent, we get what we deserve in this world and we get what we deserve because we ask for it or shoot the messenger bringing some alternative.

Because none of the trolls on here can write what I've just written, or think outside the box, they seek to shoot those who can.

This is a clear personal attack on the moderators Integerity and yet again a personal attack on me and cassie and nothing to do with the thread topic for debate so there for.silverfalcon Mod Warning - thread content.

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D - a new start has been made on this tread. Do you have any comment on SF's post at 24?
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Originally Posted by SilverFalcon:
An answer to your final question is, yes, and no. It depends on who is posting.

Peak food, like peak oil, is something that will pass with time and circumstance. Some of peak food's problems are tied up with the replacement of edible crops with crops grown for energy purposes. This hasn't been at all successful and hasn't helped in maintaining forestation either. There have been problems with crops grown for the anti-genetically modified food plant group. The world is suffering from climatic upheaval, etc. But these things will pass and as we speak new fields of agricultural technology are opening up. China is growing, and packaging, vast quantities of food not previously received into the open market from this source. What is now known as "modern Arabia" is greening the desert and desalination is growing as a twenty-first century enterprise that is changing the face of tourist destinations and living space orientation.

What is to be done must be done with an eye focused expertly on what is being done elsewhere and on the future, not the past. Humans are racing toward peak population and this is more important than anything else and affects both peak food and peak oil. To say nothing of peak finance. :-)

Some things in the future of every developing nation will be globally oriented. That is something people will have to bear in mind. There can be no shutting oneself off from the international community because the world we have made is one of instant communication technology and shared resources. No one will survive if they try to cut themselves off from this phenomenon, but they can go some way toward working out how to deal with this situation to their advantage.

HMMMmmm! Yes, but what is to be done?




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Originally Posted by Danny:
This is a clear personal attack on the moderators Integerity and yet again a personal attack on me

Yet you hijacked the thread by trying to ridicule Mr Constantine? Personal - yes. Attack - yes.

Your behaviour is becoming worrying to your self. To spend so much time on an internet forum trying to attack a party which most people haven't even heard of can't be normal.

Haven't you got anything better to do? Ask yourself that now and again.
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
Yet you hijacked the thread by trying to ridicule Mr Constantine? Personal - yes. Attack - yes.

Your behaviour is becoming worrying to your self. To spend so much time on an internet forum trying to attack a party which most people haven't even heard of can't be normal.

Haven't you got anything better to do? Ask yourself that now and again.

Do you have a response to SF's and Cassie's posts?
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Originally Posted by Millennium3:
Do you have a response to SF's and Cassie's posts?

I agree with SF.
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