FEP and the DUP

Originally Posted by Ea of Dune:
I have always wondered if the DUP etc. would seek to form sort of alliance with Scotland (or maybe Unionists in Scotland) )following the break up of the UK.
The Ulster-Scots communities have obvious ties to Scotland. The West coast of Scotland has strong ties to Ulster, one only has to look at a Rangers Vs Celtic game to see the darker side of that surface.

Having political elements in Scotland backing them would also afford some sort of protection to the Protestant community in theory on a cultural level i.e. Lallans language board etc.

Should be interesting to see how that would pan out. I can't see the Protestant community looking to the English somehow.

Ea of dune

In relation to the thread topic for Debate FEP and the DUP.And the ea of dunes post above.Ea of dune you make some very good points.You are quite right about the relationship between Scotland and Northern Ireland(Ulster)Both have sizable Protestant Communities and are both linked to the Protestant orange order as in fact Places all over England and wales are just look at liverpool for example.All areas of the UK celebrate the 12th of july.But I do feel that the protestant Communty ea of dune would look to England but as you say its how it would all pan out.I simply dont think the UK will break up and its also a matter of regret that a certain person has said and I quote he would take great pleasure at kicking out various DUP BIGOTS out of England.That kind of stuff HORRIFIES ME AND I would think many many good decent people.Your post ea of dune was excellent

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Originally Posted by Danny:
its also a matter of regret that a certain person has said and I quote he would take great pleasure at kicking out various DUP BIGOTS out of England.That kind of stuff HORRIFIES ME AND I would think many many good decent people.

So you support religious sectarian bigotry, then?

I'll save that comment for future reference...

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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
So you support religious sectarian bigotry, then?

I'll save that comment for future reference...

In relation to the thread topic for debate.FEP and the DUP and northumbrians post above my right of reply is and I will MAKE THIS VERY VERY CLEAR for you northumbrian. I HATE and DEPLORE RELIGIOUS SECTARIAN BIGOTRY. AND I would think I speak on behalf of millions of people in that respect northumbrian.I THINK THAT MAKES THAT VERY VERY CLEAR AND I HOPE YOU WILL ALSO USE THIS FOR FUTURE REFERENCE as I will most certainly use this for future reference .Many thanks Northumbrian.:-)nice try though.

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This could happen after the breakup of the Union. There is a small party called the Scottish Unionist Party that might form an alliance with the DUP. Would the Scottish Conservatives also be involved in the alliance or would they remain separate and allied with the English Conservatives and possibly the Ulster Unionists - all proposing to recreate the Union?

Originally Posted by :
Should be interesting to see how that would pan out. I can't see the Protestant community looking to the English somehow.

Ea of dune

What intrigues me is why the Liverpool Protestant Party merged with the Conservatives in the 1970s rather than the newly formed DUP that technically they had more in common with. Does anybody know if any attempts were made to form an alliance between the Liverpool Protestant Party and the DUP?

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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress:

The breakup of the Union will be a very messy business. I remember the breakup of the Soviet Union and there were all sorts of complications down to which nation has the rights to oil paintings from former Soviet Union embassies. Some problems have yet to be solved.

That's a very far fetched comparison. The Soviet Union was torn by Communism, te aftershocks of the huge losses in WW2 and a administration was poor at best. We live ina country with a developed judicial and administrative system.The break does not need to be messy at all.

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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress:
This could happen after the breakup of the Union. There is a small party called the Scottish Unionist Party that might form an alliance with the DUP. Would the Scottish Conservatives also be involved in the alliance or would they remain separate and allied with the English Conservatives and possibly the Ulster Unionists - all proposing to recreate the Union?

What intrigues me is why the Liverpool Protestant Party merged with the Conservatives in the 1970s rather than the newly formed DUP that technically they had more in common with. Does anybody know if any attempts were made to form an alliance between the Liverpool Protestant Party and the DUP?

Great post Dissident congress.From what I have researched there were indeed attempts dissident congress to form an alliance and to open a DUP branch in liverpool but it fell through there was even talk well about ten years ago if the DUP had opened the office and it took off they would put up candidates in local council elections in liverpool. I hope that helps.:-) I will try to dig out the article if I can find it.But once again great post.:-)

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Monday, January 11, 1999 Published at 10:19 GMT

Here you are dissident congress
UK

Unionists branch into mainland

Liverpool will be home to a new branch of the Democratic Unionists

The Democratic Unionist Party is set to open its first branch on mainland Britain, in Liverpool.
The Northern Ireland-based party says it is making the move because of unprecedented interest in unionism from people in the city.

DUP leader Rev Ian Paisley welcomes the new Liverpool branch
Leaders are also considering opening a branch in London.

They are also hoping to field candidates in this year's Liverpool city council elections.

The party's Ian Paisley junior said the branch would build on strong historic links with Merseyside.

Liverpool DUP spokesman Phil Moffat said: "Since Tony Blair started to place Northern Ireland at the front of his political agenda, there has been an awful lot of interest in the DUP from people in Liverpool who are as eager to protect the union with Ulster as people in the province are.

"In fact, such are the levels of interest from young and old that we would like to think that we will be able to put forward candidates for the local government elections in May."

'Proud tradition'

He said supporters and former members of the now defunct Liverpool Protestant Party are among those joining.

At its height in the 1960s, the Protestant Party held several council seats in the city and even had a mayor drawn from its ranks.

DUP leader Rev Ian Paisley said: "I am delighted that we are opening a branch in Liverpool.

"Ulster has always had strong historic links with this city. As a port, it used to be the launch pad for one of the great unionist leaders ever, Lord Carson before he came to Ulster.

"The Orange Order and loyal orders also have a proud tradition there. We look forward to working with our colleagues in Liverpool to defend the union."

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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine:
To reply in general terms to your above post:

There will some clear consequences to breaking the Union of the UK. Each former home nation will become an independent nation state, free to join/leave the EU, NATO, GATT etc and free to make their own laws on citizenship, immigration, social security, national security, defence, taxation and foreign affairs etc.

I cannot forecast which laws an English Parliament will enact and what decisions an English government will make, but there would seem to me to be two obvious guiding principles:

1. Decisions will be taken by both the English Parliament and the Government that are in the percived interests of the English nation, and of no other; and

2. That the English will not have waited so long (and possibly have fought so hard) for their new national independence, just to give it away to the EU, nor will we be content just to be America's poodle.

I think the question on how we would deport any unwanted foreigners from England (such as DUP former Union MPs) goes to a level of detail that we can only speculate about. They would - I asume - have no legal right to even visit Engalnd, let alone outstay their welcome here ... if they had been allowed to visit.

Personally, it would be give me great pleasure to see various DUP religious bigots kicked out of England... (reason 98 for English Independence!)

In relation to the thread topic for Debate FEP and the DUP.And Andrew Constantines the leader of FEPs post above.Can I kindly ask you Mr Constantine which various DUP Bigots as you said in your post above that you would Mr Constantine take great pleasure at being kicked out of England.??

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Originally Posted by Danny:
In relation to the thread topic for debate.FEP and the DUP and northumbrians post above my right of reply is and I will MAKE THIS VERY VERY CLEAR for you northumbrian. I HATE and DEPLORE RELIGIOUS SECTARIAN BIGOTRY. AND I would think I speak on behalf of millions of people in that respect northumbrian.I THINK THAT MAKES THAT VERY VERY CLEAR AND I HOPE YOU WILL ALSO USE THIS FOR FUTURE REFERENCE as I will most certainly use this for future reference .Many thanks Northumbrian.:-)nice try though.

So why do you object to Mr Constantine wanting to remove bigots from Westminster?

READ POSTS VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU REPLY :-)

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