What does FEP think of the DUP? If FEP forms government then all constituencies in Scotland and Ulster will be deleted and MPs from these nations requested to leave the House of Commons. DUP MPs will be furious over such a move. Will FEP physically evict them from England and send them back to Ulster?
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I don't speak for FEP but this strikes me as a very slanted question. Presumably the FEP would follow the rule of law at all times and would only 'physically evict' anyone with the aid of the police. I don't think it would come to that any more than Unionist MP's would fear being 'physically evicted' by an pro- Republican Irish Assembly.
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Given that the Northern Irish can presently choose to be British or Irish or both, and given that the Belfast Agreement provides for a referendum on the question of re-uniting with Ireland, this question may well be entirely theoretical by 2010. :-)

Besides, you have yet to explain why anyone, whether FEP or not, would want to "physically evict them [those who were DUP MPs] from England and send them back to Ulster?"


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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress:
What does FEP think of the DUP? If FEP forms government then all constituencies in Scotland and Ulster will be deleted and MPs from these nations requested to leave the House of Commons. DUP MPs will be furious over such a move. Will FEP physically evict them from England and send them back to Ulster?

To reply in general terms to your above post:

There will some clear consequences to breaking the Union of the UK. Each former home nation will become an independent nation state, free to join/leave the EU, NATO, GATT etc and free to make their own laws on citizenship, immigration, social security, national security, defence, taxation and foreign affairs etc.

I cannot forecast which laws an English Parliament will enact and what decisions an English government will make, but there would seem to me to be two obvious guiding principles:

1. Decisions will be taken by both the English Parliament and the Government that are in the percived interests of the English nation, and of no other; and

2. That the English will not have waited so long (and possibly have fought so hard) for their new national independence, just to give it away to the EU, nor will we be content just to be America's poodle.

I think the question on how we would deport any unwanted foreigners from England (such as DUP former Union MPs) goes to a level of detail that we can only speculate about. They would - I asume - have no legal right to even visit Engalnd, let alone outstay their welcome here ... if they had been allowed to visit.

Personally, it would be give me great pleasure to see various DUP religious bigots kicked out of England... (reason 98 for English Independence!)
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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress:
What does FEP think of the DUP? If FEP forms government then all constituencies in Scotland and Ulster will be deleted and MPs from these nations requested to leave the House of Commons. DUP MPs will be furious over such a move. Will FEP physically evict them from England and send them back to Ulster?

In relation to Dissident congress statement for debate.I think you have an excellent point because there cannot be any change to northern Irelands postion in the United kingdom with out there being a referendum as set out in the good friday agreement.Everyone knows at present that the fastest route to English Independence and for FEP is if the SNP led government in scotland can deleiver a referendum and the people of scotland vote for Scotland to become Independent.However even then we would still have England wales and northern Ireland in the United Kingdom.So if FEP think that just because Scotland goes Indepdent all the other regions become indepent then they have another thing coming and are Indeed misleading people.But Dissident congress you have a very valued point of course the 9 DUP MPs at westminster would be furious at FEP if they phyically sort to evict them and quite rightly so.
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The situation isn't so serious for Scotland because the SNP MPs know they will leave Westminster as soon as an independent Scotland is created. Scottish Lib-Lab-Con MPs will be angry at losing their seats but the FEP will probably give them a choice over whether they want to be English or Scottish citizens. DUP is a different matter because they are pro-Union and have almost no presence on the mainland. The 9 DUP MPs evicted from Westminster will probably spend their days waving Union Flags outside the entrance to the House of Commons until the day when they have to decide whether they want to be citizens of England or Ulster.

The breakup of the Union will be a very messy business. I remember the breakup of the Soviet Union and there were all sorts of complications down to which nation has the rights to oil paintings from former Soviet Union embassies. Some problems have yet to be solved.
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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress:
The situation isn't so serious for Scotland because the SNP MPs know they will leave Westminster as soon as an independent Scotland is created. Scottish Lib-Lab-Con MPs will be angry at losing their seats but the FEP will probably give them a choice over whether they want to be English or Scottish citizens. DUP is a different matter because they are pro-Union and have almost no presence on the mainland. The 9 DUP MPs evicted from Westminster will probably spend their days waving Union Flags outside the entrance to the House of Commons until the day when they have to decide whether they want to be citizens of England or Ulster.

The breakup of the Union will be a very messy business. I remember the breakup of the Soviet Union and there were all sorts of complications down to which nation has the rights to oil paintings from former Soviet Union embassies. Some problems have yet to be solved.

Great Post dissident congress :-)
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I have always wondered if the DUP etc. would seek to form sort of alliance with Scotland (or maybe Unionists in Scotland) )following the break up of the UK.
The Ulster-Scots communities have obvious ties to Scotland. The West coast of Scotland has strong ties to Ulster, one only has to look at a Rangers Vs Celtic game to see the darker side of that surface.

Having political elements in Scotland backing them would also afford some sort of protection to the Protestant community in theory on a cultural level i.e. Lallans language board etc.

Should be interesting to see how that would pan out. I can't see the Protestant community looking to the English somehow.

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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress:
What does FEP think of the DUP? If FEP forms government then all constituencies in Scotland and Ulster will be deleted and MPs from these nations requested to leave the House of Commons. DUP MPs will be furious over such a move. Will FEP physically evict them from England and send them back to Ulster?

The FEP forming a government does not mean the end of the UK. Independence would only be decided by a referendum. Obviously, if the people of the territory of England vote for independence, then extra-terratorial politicians can't be part of the English parliament or government.
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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress:
The breakup of the Union will be a very messy business. I remember the breakup of the Soviet Union and there were all sorts of complications down to which nation has the rights to oil paintings from former Soviet Union embassies. Some problems have yet to be solved.

We also have disputes over artefacts where the countries involved have never shared a Union. Elgin marbles, for example?
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