Originally Posted by British-Conservatism:
I bet they do.
60 years ago they would have got a good kicking for walking up the street with a White girl or being in the wrong area after dark.

Do you condone such behaviour?
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Originally Posted by Westcountryman:
Do you condone such behaviour?

Condone! no.
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Originally Posted by John Connor:
BonnieDundee wrote: BonnieDundee wrote: Also you mean Britains not Britons unless you are talking about stone/brone/iron age or Romano-British(who are actually the our main ancestors in England and the Celtic fringe.).

John Connor wrote: Dude, your incorrect....ramblings are becoming tiresome. Give it a rest, eh?

I am disappointed by the attitude of Bonnie Dundee. I am polite to him and support the UK Union like he does - but he appears to argue over small points and may even be starting to be rude to me at times too.
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Originally Posted by Britannist:
I am disappointed by the attitude of Bonnie Dundee. I am polite to him and support the UK Union like he does - but he appears to argue over small points and may even be starting to be rude to me at times too.

Actually I'm the one polite to you and it is you arguing over the small points. If someone talks about Northern Ireland leaving the union as a hypothetical you pop up and try and remind us that it doesn't want to at the moment. You do lots of similar things and it is very annoying. In fact your very post here is an example of what you accuse me of, to jump in here and make such a point is very rude.

Anyway John Connor is just ****** I destroyed his rubbish about Hitler and the Nazis.
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Originally Posted by John Connor:
Dude, your incorrect pseudo-intellectual ramblings are becoming tiresome. Give it a rest, eh?

Shut up your posts are always tiresome, and it is not incorrect. The term is generally used to mean ancient Britons.

Britons (historic) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And did you notice that that wasn't the main point of my post.
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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism:
My uncle left England for Australia in the 1960's because of coloured immigration yet he complains now that Australia is going the same way.

Australia is "worse" than Britain, but it isn't the same, it doesn't have the old culture and history. It really is multicultural.
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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
Anyway John Connor is just ****** I destroyed his rubbish about Hitler and the Nazis.

You didn't destroy anything. I simply decided that it was pointless to continue to show you the error of your ways, since it appears that you're not capable of discerning anything beyond that which the leftist education system drills into your head.

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
Shut up your posts are always tiresome, and it is not incorrect. The term is generally used to mean ancient Britons.

Britons (historic) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And did you notice that that wasn't the main point of my post.

Did you notice the wiki article you posted had the qualifier "(historic)" in its title?

Here:

Briton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Second one down:

Originally Posted by :
Briton can be:

1) Britons (historic), an ancient people from the island of Great Britain

2) British people, people of British ethnicity, originating from Britain, or citizens of the United Kingdom, the Isle of Man, the Channel Islands, or of one of the British overseas territories.

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Originally Posted by John Connor:
You didn't destroy anything. I simply decided that it was pointless to continue to show you the error of your ways, since it appears that you're not capable of discerning anything beyond that which the leftist education system drills into your head.

No you got to the verge of arguing that Erich Luderndorff and Louis XIV were commies and then decided to not reply any more.

Originally Posted by :
Did you notice the wiki article you posted had the qualifier "(historic)" in its title?

Here:

Briton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Second one down:

That is the general use of the term. Britains is the modern term.
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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
No you got to the verge of arguing that Erich Luderndorff and Louis XIV were commies and then decided to not reply any more.

That is the general use of the term. Britains is the modern term.

Well since you argue left/right lines are effectively decided by common usage, then by your own line of argument 'Britons' is the correct term.
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Originally Posted by Westcountryman:
Well since you argue left/right lines are effectively decided by common usage, then by your own line of argument 'Britons' is the correct term.

I'm not sure left/right are decided by common usage, I simply sure as hell know that traditionally American style libertarianism was never the epitome of the right. The use of lockean property rights as an axiom to solve most political and social problems was not what necessarily made one rightwing in past and in most quarters is not today. In fact it was those on the left of the french national and constituent assemblies who more went in for that sort of thing, Locke was a quite extreme whig and he would gained little sympathy among the supporters of the ancien regime.

The questions becomes does this make the Comte D'Artois, Jospeh D'Maistre et al let alone Louis XIV commies and I think that is absurd but it is what is being suggested.

Like it or not both the left and right can be "collectivists" or "individualists", both can be for small or big gov't and both can be libertarian or authoritarian so this strange American style libertarian new usage makes little sense.

And the term Britons isn't commonly used. Britains gets 24,000,000+ google hits and Britons only just over a 1/5 of that, I'd venture to say the usage for modern Britains is a new, trendy usage, but anyway that isn't really the debate. John Connor made that comment for the sole reason he was mad at me for showing him up with his rubbish about the Nazis. Of which he appeared to have little knowledge.

He claimed they were far left but had no reply to then why Erich Ludendorff marched with them in the Beer hall putsch or why they were part of the Kampfbund or admired and for a time were admired by Ernst Junger or many other such things. It all boils down to him defining left or right in an extremely strange way, ie the use of lockean property priniciples to settle most social and political problems. Or in other words American style libertarianism as the epitome of what is rightwing.
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