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British-Conservatism 06:54 PM 01-07-2008

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
Actually it is not possible, logistically it would have been almost impossible for such an occurrence based on the size of the British population and the size of the ships the Anglo-Saxons had. They would have had to conquer that large a population with a comparatively tiny amount of warriors. And the genetics rules it out anyway.

Well the Normans conquered England with very few warriors indeed.
Geneticists have explored the relationship between Anglo-Saxons and Britons by studying the Y-chromosomes of men in present day English towns. In 2002, a study by Weale et al found genetic differences between test subjects from market towns in central England and Wales, and that the English subjects were, on average closer genetically to the Frisians of the Netherlands than they were to their Welsh neighbours. This study hypothesised that an Anglo-Saxon invasion had replaced 50-100% of "indigenous" men. A 2006 study led by Mark Thomas used computer simulations to find a possible reason for the divergence between these finds and the archaeological record, which does not show evidence of mass immigration. They postulate that a small Anglo-Saxon elite could have operated an apartheid-like system, preventing intermarriage between male Britons and female Anglo-Saxons (therefore increasing the proportion of "Anglo-Saxon" Y chromosomes in certain regions), depriving indigenous Britons of essential resources (leading to higher population growth rates for the elite), and asserting political dominance. Eventually the dominant group would have grown too large to be an effective elite, and the "indigenous" group would have been assimilated
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Wessexman 04:01 AM 02-07-2008

Originally Posted by :
Well the Normans conquered England with very few warriors indeed.

They had much more advanced boats, they had the prior good adminstration of England to rely on and were absorbed by the population.

Originally Posted by :
Geneticists have explored the relationship between Anglo-Saxons and Britons by studying the Y-chromosomes of men in present day English towns. In 2002, a study by Weale et al found genetic differences between test subjects from market towns in central England and Wales, and that the English subjects were, on average closer genetically to the Frisians of the Netherlands than they were to their Welsh neighbours. This study hypothesised that an Anglo-Saxon invasion had replaced 50-100% of "indigenous" men.

That is the one study that suggested large scale anglo-saxon migration, it was one of the earliest, most limited and most flawed. Basically all other studies have given opposite results.

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A 2006 study led by Mark Thomas used computer simulations to find a possible reason for the divergence between these finds and the archaeological record, which does not show evidence of mass immigration. They postulate that a small Anglo-Saxon elite could have operated an apartheid-like system, preventing intermarriage between male Britons and female Anglo-Saxons (therefore increasing the proportion of "Anglo-Saxon" Y chromosomes in certain regions), depriving indigenous Britons of essential resources (leading to higher population growth rates for the elite), and asserting political dominance. Eventually the dominant group would have grown too large to be an effective elite, and the "indigenous" group would have been assimilated

It is almost logistically and practically impossible, particularly as they landed in the most populous parts of England.
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a swansong 4 europe 08:07 PM 02-07-2008
I would like to know what percentage of Cornwall's population are actually "Cornish", or like you, are they all half-breeds (according to your own "half-Cornish" pronouncements)?

"There are other variations amongst the nationalists. Some focus mainly on the Cornish as a supposed ethnic group; others are more inclusive, welcoming anyone into their ranks who live in, and "care about", Cornwall. Since probably a majority of residents in Cornwall are of non-Cornish extraction—according to one estimate, nearly 70 percent—this would appear to be the more judicious approach to adopt. Nevertheless, it does rather vitiate the notion of Cornwall as a distinct "cultural region". But this is the lynchpin of the approach of Mebyon Kernow, the largest Cornish nationalist party. In their recent election document, Cornwall 2000—the Way Ahead, they make the following statement:

Cornwall is recognised as a cultural region yet ignored as an economic region. There is a lack of harmony between culture and economics here, but the answer to this imbalance is simple. Base the economic on the cultural region."

source: World Socialist Movement
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Wessexman 05:23 AM 03-07-2008

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I would like to know what percentage of Cornwall's population are actually "Cornish", or like you, are they all half-breeds (according to your own "half-Cornish" pronouncements)?

It is not so much the "half-breeds" but the completely non-Cornish people that are coming in which matter. Not for any ethnic reason but simply because many have little time for the Cornish identity.
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Mikeuk 07:15 AM 03-07-2008

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
It is not so much the "half-breeds" but the completely non-Cornish people that are coming in which matter. Not for any ethnic reason but simply because many have little time for the Cornish identity.

As I've previously said, your wacky ideas have nothing to do with Cornish identity.

Wasn't it in Cornwall that the Tories kicked out a gay candidate? Also, I can really see the Primitive Methodists taking to your decision not to marry the mother (s?) of your children.

And your pseudo-Scotch ID :-) :-) :-)
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Wessexman 07:23 AM 03-07-2008
What the hell does that post have to do with anytrhing? Please stop spamming.

And I'm fine with marriage anyway, it is completely meaningless. It is my partner who does not want it on principle.
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Mikeuk 07:29 AM 03-07-2008

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
What the hell does that post have to do with anytrhing? Please stop spamming.

And I'm fine with marriage anyway, it is completely meaningless. It is my partner who does not want it on principle.

It has to do exactly what it says. Your mindset has nothing in common with the ultra-conservative Cornish outlook.
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Wessexman 07:31 AM 03-07-2008
But we are not discussing that, so it is irrelevant.
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British-Conservatism 07:36 PM 03-07-2008
Mebyon Kernow has some good success in the 1970's when it was talking about stopping immigration before it went all left wing and lost support.
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Wessexman 11:56 PM 03-07-2008
Actually its support has gone up since the 70s but whatever.

With Cornwall it is not just international but British immigrants which need to be slowed btw.
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