Originally Posted by ranter:
not all ,in fact a great majority of immigrants are not rapists,thieves or any other form of low life,they come here for a better life for themslves and their families ,they come here because they have easy entry to the uk as opposed to other countries.In short they come here because they can. This is what we/you should be addressing not how many of your friends of friends aunties best mate have been raped (were these proven cases or allegations?)

Lets get it quite clear the vast majority of immigrants are decent people, the numbers need to be kept in check and mass deportations are required of illeagles ,criminals and non working freeloaders ,.This country is skint,overcrowded and heading for recession and were all going to feel the pinch,but lets not take it out on Johnie forigner hes only doing his best for himself and his Kin,

Yes I think we need to get this in proportion. There are plenty of white rapists etc and most coloured people are decent and law-abiding.

I have a small number of non-white friends, all of whom I would happily invite into my home. The reason the number is small is not because I deliberately avoid them, but because nowadays I don't tend to move in the sort of circles where I would be likely to meet 'ethnics'. It was different when I worked in the East End of London.

I suspect the same applies to most of us. Incidentally an Indian gentleman and an (ethnic) Chinese lady post regularly on one of my own forums which has a much smaller membership than BDF which appears to be 100% white at present.
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
Er, curries and some decent athletes?

Ill go with the curries, some are supurb but the Athletes? sorry no
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Originally Posted by ranter:
Ill go with the curries, some are supurb but the Athletes? sorry no

You surely can't dispute the fact the likes of Daley Thompson, Linford Christie and Colin Jackson weren't decent athletes?
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
You surely can't dispute the fact the likes of Daley Thompson, Linford Christie and Colin Jackson weren't decent athletes?

Christie was a proven drugs cheat, Daley was a superb English competitor ,Jackson always seemed to be injured (make up your own mind)
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
Er, curries and some decent athletes?

You could buy a Curry here long before 1945 nothing to do with immigration.
As for the athletes who do you mean?
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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism:
For the native British.

They have increased in number and diversity.

However … I do think that you’re working with the wrong paradigm in asking the question in the form that you do, please bear with me as I explain.

By choosing “immigration” you’re lumping together a series of waves of immigration over the last 60 years. Each of these waves was driven by different pressures and therein lies the difficulty in appreciating what took place let alone evaluating the cost / benefit of the phase of immigration.

Take the immigration wave immediately post war. We were screwed, deeply in debt, and desperately in need of rebuilding the nation from soup to nuts. We desperately needed to get our manufacturing base back from producing war materials to goods that we could export in order to earn foreign currency needed to pay for our essential imports.

Unlike the Axis countries that were getting huge US investment under the Marshal plan we were getting zilch. Consequently we were faced with old and inefficient manufacturing plant with no opportunity or cash to replace it and so the only way to get more out of a machine is to run it for longer, but we didn’t have the people to do this hence the need to import cheap foreign labour and so along came Windrush.

THAT immigration wave did help. Britain at the time and since and so in that respect, all of us.

The latest immigration wave is another matter entirely. It was all about inflating the Economy and letting Brown play fast and loose with foreign borrowing and fiddling the books by cross budget mixing in what in business would be expense budgets and capital budgets so that for example road maintenance which should have come into “expenses” in fact was funded from “capital” and so was able to be done using foreign loans taken on for infrastructure investment.

To do this Brown needed more people working in the economy, and workers mean taxes. The result was that by taxing people working on jobs that were funded by the foreign loans gave Brown access to a source of cash he would not otherwise have had.

Then there was the effect of the numbers of people involved because people need somewhere to live, hence the housing market inflation and the now stalled building boom.

Once more foreign cash flowed in to fund the mortgages (you didn’t think it was British cash that the building societies and banks were using to fund the mortgages did you?) and so again, Brown took his slice.

So to answer who benefited from the last wave of immigration, New Labour did, and used it to fund and promote their cockamamie ideology and incompetence.

Leastways, that’s my opinion.
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Britain got the biggest slice of Marshal plan actually.
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Originally Posted by yaro:
Britain got the biggest slice of Marshal plan actually.

Eventually, but it came as a loan, too late, and with horrible conditions that we had to agree to.
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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism:
Well 1 of my friends had his 13 year old daughter groomed and two others had their daughters raped and another a sister-in-law raped.
I would you be prepared to sacrafice your friendships to have prevented the above?

How would sacrificing my friendships have prevented the above?
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Originally Posted by Smidgey:
How would sacrificing my friendships have prevented the above?

As in if we had not let any in to begin with.
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