Originally Posted by whypatcondellisntfun:
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Ahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa. I can only surmise from this statement that you are not married. Try telling a woman - any woman - what to wear and see what happens.

So muslim women choose to go around dressed like that?

To many non-muslim western eyes they look as out of place in an English town or village as a bikni clad western girl would to a muslim in down town Karachi. The difference is that by law we have to "celebrate" such "diversity" whereas I rather suspect the muslim doesn't.

Is a non-muslim equal in the eyes of your God to a muslim? If not, why not?

By law we are required to treat everybody equally irrespective of gender or religious belief - does sharia law require likewise?
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Originally Posted by Popeye:
So muslim women choose to go around dressed like that?

Firstly, I have already shown in this thread that there are Muslim women who do not view the wearing of a burka as required of them, and the head of the Muslim Council of Britain agrees with them, as do I.

Secondly, I very rarely see a Muslim woman wearing a burka. When I do, I sometimes see them with other Muslim women who are not wearing a burka, but who may instead be wearing a simple headscarf. I think Muslim women are intelligent enough to work out for themselves that they do not need to wear a burka. So to answer your question, yes, I'm sure many Muslim women choose to wear the burka, knowing that they have the option of wearing just a headscarf, just as I'm sure that there are many who have been told that they have to wear a burka and who have never been told anything otherwise.

It is not a matter of willfully trying to segregate, it is a matter of wanting to express religious intent. We don't mind people wearing crucifixes, or turbans, or orange clothes, and this is exactly the same concept.

Originally Posted by Popeye:
To many non-muslim western eyes they look as out of place in an English town or village as a bikni clad western girl would to a muslim in down town Karachi. The difference is that by law we have to "celebrate" such "diversity" whereas I rather suspect the muslim doesn't.

You can be both western and Muslim, but why should a Muslim woman care how she looks to non-Muslim eyes? What right has anybody to judge anybody else on the way they choose dress?

I don't know about the laws in downtown Karachi, but I know that in Turkey headscarfs are banned from schools and women wearing headscarfs are denied public jobs. Whilst Turkey bans the headscarf by law, Iran requires it by law. Both countries are wrong. It should be left to the individual what they want to wear.

Originally Posted by Popeye:
Is a non-muslim equal in the eyes of your God to a muslim? If not, why not?

By law we are required to treat everybody equally irrespective of gender or religious belief - does sharia law require likewise?

I'm no expert on sharia. There are a number of 'schools' of thought in sharia, and it seems an impenetrable world to me. I would be against the implementation of sharia simply because I've yet to be shown how any sharia law in official written form from any school of thought, and I've yet to be shown how sharia law can be traced back to it's root in the Qur'an. Additionally, a number of the Muslims organisations and people I relate to are against the introduction of sharia law (although some English law principles, such as a jury of 12 peers I understand may have come from earlier sharia courts).

With regards to the equality of Muslims with non-Muslims, the Qur'an itself says that:-

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Say: O disbelievers!
I worship not that which ye worship;
Nor worship ye that which I worship.
And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

Qur'an 109:1-109-6

To me, this principle is simply 'live and let live'. Some people quote the Qur'an and take stuff out of context, but to me, this is a clear instruction that whilst we may not agree with each other on religious matters, this in itself is not a basis for war or oppression of non-Muslims by Muslims.

It is worth noting that Guru Nanak Dev, the founder of Sikhism was born to a Hindu family in a country that was under Muslim control, and he was said to have had many debates with both Hindu and Muslim scholars. History shows us, then, that Islamic authorities have in the past been tolerant of other religions.
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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism:
Strength is only one of womens failings.
They also have a lower average IQ and a lower ability to solve problems under stress.

Is that your personal opinion or "fact"?

If you claim that it is "fact" what information are you basing what you said on and what year was it published?
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Originally Posted by TannyD:
Is that your personal opinion or "fact"?

If you claim that it is "fact" what information are you basing what you said on and what year was it published?

Of course it is fact.

BBC NEWS | UK | Education | 'Men cleverer than women' claim

It is obvious in daily life.
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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism:
Of course it is fact.

BBC NEWS | UK | Education | 'Men cleverer than women' claim

It is obvious in daily life.

An American study says otherwise.
Study Shows Boys and Girls Equal in Math Ability - US News and World Report

Society plays a real effect on this. "Cultural beliefs like this are "incredibly influential," she says, making it critical to question them. "Because if your mom or your teacher thinks you can't do math, that can have a big impact on your math self concept," says the report.

Today@UCI: Press Releases:
"While there are essentially no disparities in general intelligence between the sexes, a UC Irvine study has found significant differences in brain areas where males and females manifest their intelligence."
The difference in cognitive structure does not translate into different level of intelligence.
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Originally Posted by Olympic Flame:
An American study says otherwise.
Study Shows Boys and Girls Equal in Math Ability - US News and World Report

Society plays a real effect on this. "Cultural beliefs like this are "incredibly influential," she says, making it critical to question them. "Because if your mom or your teacher thinks you can't do math, that can have a big impact on your math self concept," says the report.

Today@UCI: Press Releases:
"While there are essentially no disparities in general intelligence between the sexes, a UC Irvine study has found significant differences in brain areas where males and females manifest their intelligence."
The difference in cognitive structure does not translate into different level of intelligence.

You study dosnt show otherwise it dosnt even mention IQ.
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Originally Posted by Olympic Flame:
An American study says otherwise.
Study Shows Boys and Girls Equal in Math Ability - US News and World Report

Society plays a real effect on this. "Cultural beliefs like this are "incredibly influential," she says, making it critical to question them. "Because if your mom or your teacher thinks you can't do math, that can have a big impact on your math self concept," says the report.

Today@UCI: Press Releases:
"While there are essentially no disparities in general intelligence between the sexes, a UC Irvine study has found significant differences in brain areas where males and females manifest their intelligence."
The difference in cognitive structure does not translate into different level of intelligence.

In your own experience to you find women have the same level of intelligence as men on average?
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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism:
In your own experience to you find women have the same level of intelligence as men on average?

Sometimes I think women see things differently and men tend to take a more analytical approach.
Intelligence is more of a vague term. We still dont know what defines intelligence and whether it can be passed down from one generation to the other.
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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism:
In your own experience to you find women have the same level of intelligence as men on average?

What an incredibly strange question to even think much less ask.

OF COURSE THEY DO.
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