Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth:
What a bunch of idiots on this thread(not you John).

Let's get one thing straight - the act of these "missile defense" shields is a clear act of aggression, since it means that if America launch a sneak nuclear attack then they know Russia will be unable to retaliate.

No wonder Russia are threatening Poland - they don't want war but the Imperial U.S are pushing them, pushing them, pushing them as they've done repeatedly in the past.

If you're not worried you should be extremely worried because America are provocating a nuclear confrontation (as they did when their "would be" Nato state Georgia attacked South Ossetia)

A message to all the disinfomationalists and mainstream media following sheep on here - you should realize that by spreading your total lies about this, all you're doing is inviting us all to accept a nuclear war. Do you really want that ?

My god - "idiots" doesn't describe it. :-)

And why are you creating a new thread anyway ?

You sort of have a point here.

The "missile defense shield" is clearly provocative towards Russia.

It is in breach of the ABM treaty for a start. A treaty which wisely maintained the balance of terror/MAD system of the Cold War and was the foundations of Russian/American relationship in so far as it existed. Even the nutters of the Kremlin and White house over the last fifty years were not sufficiently insane to mess with this.

Secondly ten interceptors are useless. For one thing all it does is mean the Russians target eleven missiles on Poland or whatever their initial target would be. Since there is a high degree of probability that not all the interceptors (if any) would succeed in stopping the incoming ICBMs all this means is that the initial exchange of a limited nuclear war would be one to eleven strikes and not one.

This is probably a repeat of the Reagan's successful "Star Wars" bluff which was instrumental in bringing down the USSR. The USA did not have the technology to build the SDI program then and it doesn't now. I believe the Americans and the world are increasingly conscious of the limitations of conventional American power and the States are desperately trying to regain exclusive control of nuclear weaponry in order to buttress their failing global power.

Thirdly Poland is not even between Iran and most of NATO never mind America. Plus the Iranian missiles currently, at the best estimates, can only just about reach Greece and, crucially, they don't have the bomb to put on it anyway. Moreover the existence of the "shield" weakens the American case for disarming Iran which means that if the "shield" is in place the justification for bombing the Iranian nuclear facilities is critically weakened. This may contribute to a confrontation as the Iranians could well see this as an acceptance of their acquisition of nuclear weapons.

I don't think the Americans are trying to start a nuclear war, the environmental and political costs of a major nuclear exchange would be unacceptable even to the deranged American elite. However I do believe that this scheme reflects the desperation the American's have been driven too in their paranoia and weakness. The scheme is probably useless, detracts from their other foreign policy objectives and shows them to be scared and weak rather than strong and determined as they would like everyone to believe.

Looking over some forums over the weekend it seems to me that most people who have any idea what is going on are firmly backing the Russian's over the Georgian crisis. Which must be absolutely sickening for the Western elites because they have given this one the full Monty spin treatment and it has not worked at all. This might be a historic event, the first geo-political event in which the propaganda of the Western elites has failed completely to inform their own populations.
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Fair play to you Wowbanger - I thought we were going to disagree again but you seem to be seeing the light on this one.

The trouble is, a lot of people cannot understand the reason for these bases in eastern europe and how out of control these neocons really are.

Talking of Reagan here is something one of his old colleagues in office, Paul Craig Roberts (former asssitant secretary to the Treasury) has to say regarding the conflict.



Note his words describing the neocons are "criminally insane".

Still not worried ?


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And how many of you I wonder are aware of this video game made in 2001 ?

Bear in mind what you hear is the propaganda side of the story.....


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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth:
And how many of you I wonder are aware of this video game made in 2001 ?

My favourite game. :-)
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So how many of you think that Russia might be planning to expand its borders and what path do you think they are going to take if they are going to do so? Will they go down pass Turkey turn right and back up through Kazakhstan or could they turn left and go up?
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Originally Posted by TannyD:
So how many of you think that Russia might be planning to expand its borders and what path do you think they are going to take if they are going to do so? Will they go down pass Turkey turn right and back up through Kazakhstan or could they turn left and go up?

A good question(without the turn left/right bits :-))

I'm no expert, but talk of Russia "expanding it's borders" is a carefully crafted piece of mainstream media propaganda.

Russia's response to Georgia for example was a result of Georgian aggression, not a case of Russia wanting to expand it's empire.

Presumably they want to take control of the military installations which are threatening them, similar to their threat to nuke Poland and the West.

So they're not doing it to expand their empire, they're doing it because they're under threat and have been under attack.

The missile "defence" shield is a prime example - people think "Oh Russia want to invade Poland" when in fact, Poland is being used by the U.S as a client state to attack Russia.
i.e. if defence shields are put in then both the yanks and the ruskies know the U.S can attack Russia without fear of retaliation.

Trust our media to spin it to make out Russia want to take over Georgia when Georgia attacked in the first place :-)

I'd be interested to hear what other people think to this question.....
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to me both sides are being as childish as each other. America is of course being provocative knowing full well that Russia likes to have a good buffer zone around its borders and by coercing their satellites to join NATO takes this buffer away, not to mention kicking dirt in their face (by taking the ex USSR countries "away"). Surely everyone knows that if you make someone lose face then the reaction can be disproportionate.

Russia saying that Poland might get nuked is equally pathetic. Do we really expect any of these "civilized" countries really to launch a nuclear missile at each other? While some of the despots around the world might do, I really can't see the traditional nuclear powers launching first strike (apart from maybe India/Pakistan against each other).

Russia has been doing some funny things. It came to the fore for me when they poisoned Litvinenko with polonium, which they must have realised could be traced easily and back to them. Perhaps they were trying to send a message to all dissidents overseas (as their constitution allows for offensive actions overseas) or perhaps it was meant for the governments harbouring the "fugitives". Whatever, I think that they, the Russians, under estimated the indignation from Britain over this.

America - how much is their defence budget worth each year? Wikipedia says that in 2007 it was $439bn (I believe Russia is about $33bn) so as others have questioned, who benefits? Answer - a lot of people.

Maybe I am naive in my thinking, but I just hope that both sides know what game the other is playing.
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So America don't want to start the big boom with Russia, then what situation are they "engineering" then? I assume this might has something to do with Bush carrying on where his Father left off? I have just started to watch Endgame which is currently paused. *takes a breath*

Right, so the NWO Bilderberger lizards have a smug assumption that the people will never wake up, and if they really believe that why is it such an issue that population remains below 500 million?

Huh? Was that the fuzzy image of Brown in that newspaper? Who was that?

Does the "Black Hand" have a particular symbol, there seems to be quite a few graffettied around the town centre where I live or is that Black power symbol but does that symbol have a A symbol above the black hand?

Well, I managed to watch about 20 minutes of the over 2 hour long video. :-)

The UN are with the bad guys then? But on the quiet...

oh and is there something wrong with the people who work in the Jobcentre, she seems surprised almost shock when I decided to live off the money I had earned to fund myself to get another job and not sign back on and get back into the "system" like two seconds after I was let go. That strikes me as a bit odd that's all...:/

Wow, I didn't know that Nazism affected the Scandinavian areas. :-)
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Does the NWO like to flood places by using certain technologies to manipulate the weather or am I starting to sound completely MENTAL?
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YCHTH

Have you played Clive Barker's Undying? Bloody amazing, yet creepy.
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