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International Politics>A new dawn for Zimbabwe?
rjt 07:47 PM 16-09-2008
It is certainly fair to say that tings were better economically under Smith. But there was no more democracy than there is now, the blacks were never invited to pass judgement on his government.

Mugabe and his henchman have indeed built a funeral pyre, many blacks though are innoncent victims, beaten, raped and murdered just for daring to disagree with the government.
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Aardvark 08:43 PM 16-09-2008
...something that didn't happen under Smith.
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rjt 10:06 PM 16-09-2008

Originally Posted by Aardvark:
...something that didn't happen under Smith.

No but he had no qualms aout ensuring the majority of the population was disenfranchised.
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British-Conservatism 10:24 PM 16-09-2008

Originally Posted by rjt:
BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Zimbabwe rivals in historic pact

Long term rivals Robert Mugabe and Morgan Tsvangari have signed a power sharing agreement after weeks of negotiation to bring to an end Mugabes sole rule over the country.

The Opposition join the government at a time where inflation stands at 11m% and where large parts of Africas former breadbasket are now dependant on food aid.

Tsvangari and his supporters have regualry been brutalised by the people they now share power with.

One can only hope that Mugabe is commited to this and Zimbabwe at long last can emerge from its nightmare.

Do you really think one African leader will be different from the next?
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rjt 11:25 PM 16-09-2008

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism:
Do you really think one African leader will be different from the next?

I think there is a chance, no more no less but I would of course prefer it if Mugabe's resignation had been forced then I would be more confident.

One thing I do beleive is that if Tsvangari institutes the reforms needed economically we should in this country look to support him.
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angelman 01:30 AM 17-09-2008
as for the farmers, there was a great piece on R4 a while back which was basically about the following

BBC NEWS | In pictures: Zimbabwe farmers in Nigeria
Zimbabwean Farmers Find a New Life in Nigeria : NPR
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Mikeuk 06:22 AM 17-09-2008

Originally Posted by rjt:
No but he had no qualms aout ensuring the majority of the population was disenfranchised.

So what? Democracy isn't the Holy Grail.

The mistake was not to disenfranchise the Blacks but to enfranchise the stupid Whites.

He should have followed Rhodes's dictum of equal rights for all civilized people of whatever colour.
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angelman 09:34 AM 17-09-2008
can you point out a country in Africa that works as a democracy with equal rights for all?
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Jeff 10:58 AM 17-09-2008
After you've done that maybe you could point out a European Unionist country that has democracy and equal rights for all as well?

Thanks Mike.
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Gregory Lauder-Frost 11:20 AM 17-09-2008
"Democracy" is alien to Africa and Africans. Its a simple as that. The blacks were not "disenfranchised" because they were never enfranchised in the first place. The Europeans carved a country out of raw jungle. Naturally they then wanted to control it. Look what "democracy" has now done there.

Here we have enfranchised millions of immigrants and they virtually all vote socialist. Very clever.

Mass enfrachisement is a disaster when 90% of the electorate have not got the faintest idea about government, policies, or anything else. The only thing worse is tribal voting. (No, thats not a pun.)

It fascinates me that the Liberal-Left run around saying how Europeans have infringed on the cultures of other peoples, insisting they follow Western norms. Yet at the same time they are insistent on forcing their brands of "democracy" down everyone's throats.
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