Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth:
You talk a lot about "theories" but what about the hard facts ?

This should be amusing!

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For example it is scientifically proven no plane hit the pentagon.

Links to any opinions from scientists with relevant knowledge at all, i.e. not waste disposal experts as previously furnished?

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Whether you want to classify that as a "theory" or not, does not remove the fact that the official story has been disproved.

FACT.

NO, RUBBISH. (see how I made that decisive by putting it in CAPITALS!)

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I suggest you deal with the facts, not theories and demand a new investigation, since the official story is provenly untrue.

Anyway, no malice intended at all and I hope this won't sound patronizing but it is just a matter of understanding and being aware of the facts.

Just thought I'd mention that.......

Maybe if you didn't simply espouse every loony notion that comes along people might take you seriously, just a suggestion.
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Originally Posted by Delors of de Jungle:
This should be amusing!

Links to any opinions from scientists with relevant knowledge at all, i.e. not waste disposal experts as previously furnished?

pilotsfor911truth.org
Scholars for 9/11 Truth - Home

And what was previously posted exactly Mr "voice of reason" ? :-)
Do you even know ?
If you don't reply I'll assume you don't even know :-) :-)

Originally Posted by Delors of de Jungle:
NO, RUBBISH. (see how I made that decisive by putting it in CAPITALS!)

Aren't you clever ?
Yeah people should really believe your unsubstantiated vomit-based slander based on nothing rather than not top aviational professionals and scholars including Prof Steven Jones. :-)

And I seriously dount if you've even got the capability to read them :-)

Originally Posted by Delors of de Jungle:
Maybe if you didn't simply espouse every loony notion that comes along people might take you seriously, just a suggestion.

If you're not taking it seriously why do you give a flying **** ?

What a cretin you are....

All coming from the idiot who ironically and (IMO obviously falsely) claimed to have lost family due to the 9/11 attack. :-)

I suggest you team up with Lazyguy and Captain Nasty - they're about your intelligence level - about zero (0) :-)
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Effectively you're saying "oh well, let the government investigate itself.... "

Eh? Did you actually read that post or are you on a little rant? The point I made was this. Groups like DC or anyone else who cover a wide variety of issues the majority of them being domestic, do not have the resources or time to spend soley on one topic. That has nothing to do with "letting the government investigate itself", I never once said anything to that tune.
Secondly, the US government is NOT the British government, and even if the British government said they thought the US government was involved (which they won't say) then they still can't do anything about it.

Our government/industries spent more money then thirty-five US states combined on lobbying Washington. As a result of this we recieved massive defence contracts, Rolls Royce only had to bid on 14% of the contracts awarded to them for example. Our government will not do jack, and British citizens can form 9/11 truth groups etc. fine, but to expect every group that exists to spent an inordinate amount of time to satisfy you on 9/11 truth is stupid.
It is up to the American people at the end of the day, the buck stops with them. If they believe elements of the US government where involved they need to sort it out as they are the only ones with the legal jurisdiction to do so.

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Not only should we it should be our duty to expose these people.
After all we supposedly live in a "transparent" society
If not things will get unbelievably worse and worse mark my words.

I agree we should uncover corruption and what have you, but like charity it starts at home.
What is the point of British citizens complaining to the US government, a government they can not vote for and are not represented by? Better to start with Westminster and companies based in the UK and sort the mess out this end.

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Because until the lie of 9/11 and 7/7 are exposed people will never wake up to the reality of government taking away people's human rights and civil liberites, in the name of "freedom".

I think there are plenty of people out there who do not think 9/11 was an inside job, or 7/7 for that matter who do see the reality of the government taking away peoples rights.
Should they be excluded because people like yourself feel the need to shout them down?

I would also say most people generally have an open mind on subjects such as 9/11 (I do for example and believe there is a hell of alot of truth in the research done by the truth movement in the US) etc. however when people rant at them they tend to be off put as it looks like a bunch of loons are running the show!

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Until we accept the facts, understand the big picture and those reponsible and get our heads screwed on to the truth, we're in big trouble.....

The facts are still to be 100% ascertained though as you have conceded. That is why it is important that Americans are responsible for uncovering the truth, and sure if people here want to help them out great. But as I said before, it is up to Americans at the end of the day.

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Originally Posted by Ea of Dune
and that includes the official story.

Oh come on
the official story has been disproven hundreds of times over.

Did you read my comment, once again you seem to not read what people have typed. I said and that includes the official story with regards to not believing it to be true.

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Is it proven no Boeing crashed into the Pentagon ?
Yes it is, the govt is lying and they should be investigated, simple as that.....

I don't believe it has been proven, in fact this seems to be one area the truth movement is divided on. I've heard many theories on what happened here exactly.
Your theory is not proven until all of the evidence and CCTV videos are released and until witnesses are forced to give evidence under oath, until then the "no plane" theory is exactly that, a theory even if it does have some evidence to back it.

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Don't you understand that Britain is WITH the Americans and that's why this event took place - i.e. for political reasons ?
Doesn't the British government and media constantly talk about the "war on terror" and how "9/11 and 7/7 changed everything" ?

:-) Oh dear......

Of course people on this forum realise the British government is with the US. We have all seen the bodies coming home on the news, in the newspapers and in the alternative media.
IF you want to stop Britain being involved you need to start at home, with the government that has been voted in by the public. You need to vote in a government that will withdraw troops immediatly, that will have open honest investigations on the many things that have happened under the Labour government.

Pasting the same rants on this forum and talking down to people and getting their backs up is akin to ******* in the wind.

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Can't you see that it's us the people and not the government (who are laughing at us) that are the catalyst for real change when we understand what has happened and why ?.....

Yes and some of your posts on here are doing a fine job of putting people off being interested as you come across as a fanatic.

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I'm telling you - nothing will change until you remove the core of the problem, and that means recognizing and proving government are criminal....
(and have lied a thousand times over in ways you can't even imagine)

Our government has already been recognised and proved to be criminals many times over, we have just done nothing about it. People like yourself though spend all your time telling people we need to wake up, but don't actually propose any concrete methods for removing the government and the system that is in place.
It would seem you would rather post hundreds of 9/11 threads as if that is suddenly going to make people wake up and go "Oh yes lets not vote for Labour".
Whilst most people as I said are generally open minded folk, do you think they honestly give a ***** about 9/11 though now when they are watching their savings vanish, their jobs vanish etc?

Why not start with the things people can prove 100% have 100% facts about and see touch and oppose?

The only party who I have see so far who even tackle the banking system/fiat money seems to be the Libertarians for example.

Anyway I can tell from your posts you mean well and that is great, but take a step back for a moment and try and look at your posts and understand how other people pecieve them maybe?


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This is far more important in my opinion at the moment for people in Britain.
Lets hope people say NO!

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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth:
pilotsfor911truth.org
Scholars for 9/11 Truth - Home

And what was previously posted exactly Mr "voice of reason" ? :-)
Do you even know ?
If you don't reply I'll assume you don't even know :-) :-)

I watched those videos before and they really are tosh, I'm not going to waste my time watching them again.

I can't quote your next point as your incapacity to use simple BB quoting syntax has led to it being included in your quoting of my post. I shall simply ask: are you referring you here to the Professor Steven E Jones who was relieved of his duties at Brigham Young University a couple of years back, and subsequently took "early retirement"?

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If you're not taking it seriously why do you give a flying **** ?

What a cretin you are....

Stunted development due to hyperthyroidism? Not me.

I take it seriously because it makes me sad to see people who might otherwise make useful contributions to society wasting their time obsessing about such nonsense, and I bother responding because I worry that impressionable young people reading it may be influenced by it.

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All coming from the idiot who ironically and (IMO obviously falsely) claimed to have lost family due to the 9/11 attack. :-)

That is simply an outright lie. I really can't be bothered to complain about it, but I hope you'll be decent enough to either post a link to where I made such a claim, or apologise.

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I suggest you team up with Lazyguy and Captain Nasty - they're about your intelligence level - about zero (0) :-)

Oh, I see. When you mentioned hyperthyroidism, you were trying to imply that I'm stupid! I haven't had my IQ tested since I was 15, it was 130 at the time although I'm sure age, alcohol and methodology will have reduced it greatly since.
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