No UKIP May Not Be Part Of The Right But Neither Are We In Many Ways.
In Fact We Have More In Common With The Old Left Than We Have With The Free Trade Torries.
But We Say Far Right Because Thats How Political Pundits See Us And Thats How They Will Always See Us.
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Albion
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No UKIP May Not Be Part Of The Right But Neither Are We In Many Ways.
In Fact We Have More In Common With The Old Left Than We Have With The Free Trade Torries.
But We Say Far Right Because Thats How Political Pundits See Us And Thats How They Will Always See Us.

Albion is being disingenuous. He also contradicts himself. In a previous post he writes of a unity of the Right and includes UKIP/NF/BNP in this category.
Free Trade is economic liberalism and neither Left nor Right. Globalism is the new word for it. The BNP/NF opposes it only because it is internationalist by nature and therefore contrary to nationalist aspirations.
UKIP advocates being part of NAFTA (North Atlantic Free Trade Area) rather than involvement with the EU. What that really means is a closer association with America rather than with our European friends. The BNP/NF fool themselves if they believe there is an "independent" alternative. UKIP, likewise.
You are of the far-Right, Albion, because you advocate policies based on racial lines and you follow a hard-line nationalist agenda. There is nothing "old Left" (whatever that means) about you unless you believe the people should own the means of production, distribution and exchange - the basis of socialism.
You are far-Right because that is your place on the political spectrum defined by your beliefs and attitudes.

Sincerely,

Robert Edwards
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UKIP advocates being part of NAFTA (North Atlantic Free Trade Area) rather than involvement with the EU. What that really means is a closer association with America rather than with our European friends. The BNP/NF fool themselves if they believe there is an "independent" alternative. UKIP, likewise.

So far as I know, UKIP does not advocate Britain joining NAFTA.
The only policy reference I could find on the UKIP website says:

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Outside the EU, we can build strong trading relationships with the rest of the world, including Commonwealth countries and the North American Free Trade Area. It is ironic that the European Commission could negotiate with - or even join - NAFTA. Britain cannot make such decisions because Tory and Labour governments have signed our sovereignty away.

Note that this para makes a point about EU control over the making of trading treaties with other countries and organisations. It says that outside the EU, UKIP's policy would be to build a strong trading relationship with NAFTA. That doesn't imply that we would join NAFTA.
I notice that the Green Party have recently started issuing press releases claiming that UKIP would take Britain INTO phpbb_NAFTA, but they don't give any evidence of this either, and it seems to be simply untrue.

By the way, I expect Albion is right about the NF/BNP being 'Old Labour' in an economic sense. I'm sure I've heard before that they favour state control of industry, a planned economy etc. Incidentally, this was also a feature of Nazi economic policy (I'm not calling you a Nazi, Albion - just pointing out a policy similarity). UKIP on the other hand is liberal on the economy as well as on race, though it is somewhere near the Tories on actual immigration and asylum policy.
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The NF Belive In The Economic Self Sufficiency(or Near to)
And The British Ownership And Control Of All British Rescourses And Industry.
We Also Belive In One Company-One Title To Stop Economic Empires From Being Buit Up.
We Advocate Family Buisnesses And Local Co-operative Firms.
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Albion
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Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:38 pm Post subject:

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The NF Belive In The Economic Self Sufficiency(or Near to)
And The British Ownership And Control Of All British Rescourses And Industry.
We Also Belive In One Company-One Title To Stop Economic Empires From Being Buit Up.
We Advocate Family Buisnesses And Local Co-operative Firms.

Economic self-sufficiency is impossible for Britain and is called autarky. We could never compete successfully on world markets because we lack the necessary resources. We would be constantly under-cut by cheap overseas labour.
Even UKIP's new big donor, Mr Bown, has his textile factory in Turkey for that reason. It is also no coincidence that UKIP opposes a statutary minumum wage. The workers would end up as paupers and unable to purchase any goods they produced.
Independence for Britain is also an impossibility without being part of a larger trading area. Rather it is Europe and not America.
Most of our trade is with Europe, anyway.

Sincerely,

Robert Edwards
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I Do Belive Thet We Would End Up A Poorer Country But Not Paupers.
As A Result We Would not End Up Paupers Though.
We Could Replace Lostr Rrade By Making Our Own Cars, Washing Macines ect.
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John Tyndall is a very strange man. Several years ago he had a photo taken of himself dressed as a stormtrooper, standing in front of a picture of a certain German leader, who ran that country in the 1930's. He also believes in various jewish plots to undermine Britain. Is this the sort of person you want leading Britain, Albion?
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Albion
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:16 am Post subject:

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I Do Belive Thet We Would End Up A Poorer Country But Not Paupers.
As A Result We Would not End Up Paupers Though.
We Could Replace Lostr Rrade By Making Our Own Cars, Washing Macines ect.

Pipe dreams, Albion, nothing but pipe dreams. And how would we compete with other countries that manufacture cars very much cheaply ... i.e., with lower production costs? Would we be denied access to these goods?
What the NF or BNP advocate is turning Britain INTO phpbb_one big concentration camp where we all march off to work in the morning singing the Horst Wessel and return late in the evening to a bowl of cabbage soup.
No thanks!

Sincerely,

Robert Edwards
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