Originally Posted by Frith:
ordinary nationalists believe in democracy. It's only extremists of both the left and right who would deny the existence of more than one political view. :-)

I do agree with you there, Frith, and I hope you can see that my jibe at nationalism was at least a little tongue in cheek.

However, we do seem to have had an influx of extremists lately so I was also making the point that the character of the forum had changed (not any point about the lack of democracy in the forum itself, by the way). Extremist posters can easily dominate in certain threads even if they are a minority overall.

When we start getting posts justifying Hitler, engaging in what is in effect Holocaust revisionism, making highly inflammatory comments about Jews and making assumptions about people's character based upon their presumed ethnicity, we will only encourage more posters of that ilk. Democracy or no democracy, it will discourage many others who will conclude that the forum caters for political extremists and will thus go elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Frith:
people were going crazy with the "you're a fascist" thing every time they opened their mouths

Yes, you are completely right there. It turns me off the debates totally and it still happens. What is really bizarre is that it can be provoked (if that is the right word) by sometimes simple comments about issues such as taxation or climate change while at the same time there are ideologically committed fascists and Nazis posting on their theories of 'race' and not getting the same response. :-)
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In my opinion, the forum is going to the wolves.

There are far too many BNP members/supporters on here and they're getting away with spreading their message of hate far too much.

The presence of the BNP supporters and other extremists is ruining the character of the forum and I'm getting close to leaving for good.

The ongoing petty battles between the global warming supporters and deniers is also off-putting.
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Well I'm not an extremists if you mean jack booted brown shirts. Having had a career in HMF I have seen first hand what extremes do to people, so fully understand the dangers, thus I would pick up a gun to defend democracy if and when the time comes.

Because I do voice my opinion on immigration I have often suffered the fascist label abuse times over, and now know it is a tool to stifle views that the political
elite dislike and want to bury. so feel free to call me what you want.

As I am on full time release from my place of work as a Union rep, I see close up some of the undemocratic tools the government use to stifle free speech. Searchlight and UAF are two sinister organisations bankrolled by the Unions that will use extreme force to meet their objectives. It normaly starts as abuse about being a fascist building up to threats against the person or their family, and ultimately violence. If the person being attacked does not comply then they risk their livelihood as well, and will very often be blacklisted from any government employement or company that is unionised.

My use of turning the clock back was perhaps unwise, what was meant was a return to our traditional values, which is possible if we had a government with the balls to enforce robust laws against the people who will not live within our societies laws and values.
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Originally Posted by Westcountryman:
In my opinion, the forum is going to the wolves.

There are far too many BNP members/supporters on here and they're getting away with spreading their message of hate far too much.

The presence of the BNP supporters and other extremists is ruining the character of the forum and I'm getting close to leaving for good.

The ongoing petty battles between the global warming supporters and deniers is also off-putting.

I agree mate i have been thinking the same for the last few day and if it does get worse i will stay off here for good at this rate?.
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Hey guys - don't leave !

Steve, Westcountryman we need people like you on here.

This is an open forum full of trolls - don't expect everyone to be united, but realize you can form the groups and networking relationships with people that you want to, and ignor the rest if you like too.

I get hacked off too but don't give in to the trolls and leave - that's what they want you to do.
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Everyone who disagrees with you isn't a troll.
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Originally Posted by Frith:
Everyone who disagrees with you isn't a troll.

True - I can't see you as one for example Frith.

But to be honest, how can you or I ever really know who is or isn't ?

One needs to learn the propaganda techniques used first to identify them as suspicious individuals - especially the new ones who crop up from no-where, make inflatory comments and then leave.....

I'm sure there are a lot of them on this site - if I'm suspicious of people who speak the same way as the propaganda machine then it's for that reason.

Those that are not trolls are likely to simply be misguided in their beliefs.

Not entirely their fault - they just haven't switched over from BBC1 into reality yet....
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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth:
True - I can't see you as one for example Frith.

But to be honest, how can you or I ever really know who is or isn't ?

One needs to learn the propaganda techniques used first to identify them as suspicious individuals - especially the new ones who crop up from no-where, make inflatory comments and then leave.....

I'm sure there are a lot of them on this site - if I'm suspicious of people who speak the same way as the propaganda machine then it's for that reason.

Those that are not trolls are likely to simply be misguided in their beliefs.

Not entirely their fault - they just haven't switched over from BBC1 into reality yet....

You mean that group known collectively as "the lefties"? :-)

They comprise most of ordinary British society, it seems, so I have to presume that they were brainwashed since I last looked because they are nothing like they used to be quite a short while ago. And I can't support their causes no matter where I go because they all think I'm the enemy. This ranges from the extreme right to the extreme left and most in between. The Germanic pagans thought I was a hippy and offered to escort me off their premises. So I left them because, quite frankly, I think many of them are nuts and the rest are psychotic and some are brainwashed and others are desperate, but hardly any are genuine Germanic pagans.

It is no different with the right wing. Same old same old. You are a hippy and a liberal and a spy, a troll, a BBC addict, etc. No there, too, I'm afraid I had to say goodbye as I am none of these things. I haven't ever been left wing so I don't know what they might do, but I suspect, from watching what they do on here to anyone they think might not entirely thrill the management at the UAF or Searchlight. :-) they shout before you can say Jack Robinson, so I suppose people have the same trouble there if they are moderate lefties.

I have always just been myself and I am attached to my people and their culture. That doesn't mean I don't like other cultures, there are aspects of these that I think are great, but I'm not a multiculturalist. Not being a multiculturalist means to some that you are evil and a nazi and therefore a :-). Saying you aren't won't help you as they are convinced by their preconceived idea that everyone who isn't a new age libertarian and an overgrown adolescent must be a fascist. If you just want to see a bit more law and order you are a fascist. If you think some traditions are good, you are a fascist. Even if you also think some traditions are bad. Doesn't matter, off with your head.

Most are convinced I have a swastika tattooed on my (fill in the blanks). Not true. Not a neo nazi. Some are national socialists, very few, but they do exist round the world and this small group have the symbol power for lefties of nitro glycerin. What they suppose a couple of teenagers with an interest in runology and camping out with the mosquitoes and thinking we are the ancient Aryans is going to do to destroy the world is beyond me. But they believe that every one of us who isn't patently one of them must be one of those and therefore a :-).

I agree with you that some people who go on forums are there for a purpose other than debate or support. I agree that some seem to have some sort of bad training in this department. If you've been on the net for a long time you recognise them. This doesn't mean you understand them or that they even understand themselves, but they do, no matter what platform they are on, tend to do similar things. They start fights for one thing and they attack individuals for another. Some are there simply because they are egotists and have found a soapbox for their ideology and hate anyone who looks like they may interfere with this autocratic and aristocratic situation. They feel they must knock their opposition off and their only weapons are insults. In real life they would get a punch in the nose if they spoke to anyone the way they do on forums, but then they know they are safe, so they misbehave.

What fascinates me is the fact that the controllers seem to like them and often favour them above rational humans and even ban rational humans and people who merely defend themselves. This just makes the problem worse.

Maybe there is no big plot. Maybe its just human nature being its inimical self. I am not a lefty or a fan of the BBC, so I don't know how anyone can be so stupid as to believe like a child anything that gets fed into its CPU without doing a virus check but this has happened, as you mention, and will possibly go on happening until some new broom sweeps clean the Parliamentary floor and humans can start again.

I don't have much faith in humans and I don't like them, so I must presume that, as in centuries before, they will muck the whole thing up with the same old practices and prejudices they haved always allowed to drag them from potential greatness and turn them into the descendants of apes instead of the evolutionary trajectories of this phenomenon. To me, they are still very much like their predecessors of the caves and the plains and the tree tops. Can draw quite well, hunt bravely and sing and dance, but lack any long term capability since they invented fire and discovered the fermentation process. Humanity will always be brought crashing down by its own weaknesses and these appear to be part of its heritage, or rather, part of its inability to evolve any further.

If this is the case and humans have reached a peak in terms of a specific kind of evolution, then humanity is doomed, not necessarily to extinction as such, but to go on repeating the same old errors and practising the same old vices that have been its forte since Adam first chose apples above God and Eve first turned the humble apple into a pathway to hell.

For those who don't believe Adam made the wrong choice and for those very few intelligent specimens who realise that Eve chose freedom and knowledge above slavery and ignorance the road remains clear and the possibilities huge for a further evolution from the Edenic human to the transcended human, or the cosmic species. But I can't see many making that journey. A few always do, and some make the heroic and sacrificial journey back to earth to help and teach and even die for the sake of the horde, but how effective is all this? Does humanity not just slam the door in the faces of all of its returning guests and just continue to wear its animal skins and drink its fermented juices and rut like crazed weasels? It does indeed, alas.

And even in the afterlife, or worlds beyond our knowing, it would seem that there is a sucker born every day as they just keep coming back and getting themselves crucified or burned or hanged and tortured because they mentioned that the apple may not be what it seems and may in fact not be an apple at all, but a key ... :-)
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Blimey :-)

Give me a week to read it and I'll get back to you ok ?
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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth:
Blimey :-)

Give me a week to read it and I'll get back to you ok ?

Thorry :-) -----
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