Hi from East Mid's

Don't be sorry :-)

Just joking Frith, thanks for your reply ok here's a short(ish) reply from me.....

The left/right paradigm is a fake, designed to fool people into beleiving they have a choice between a Tory/Labour or Dem/Republicans or socialist/capitalist etc.

It perpetuates the myth that people have a political choice when in reality everything is run by an elitist group of international bankers that control everything (Heard of bilderburg ?)

That's what I mean by brainwashed becasue we have all been brainwashed by the media and that's also why I don't get into left/righ stereotypes or any other stereotypes if I can help it...

I understand your sickness at labelling and believe it or not I get sick of it too - people are too quick to regurgitate the defintions they have learn from the system rather than examining how the system has fooled them.

Frith - if I labelled you as a troll in the past then I am sorry - I was mistaken.

But I am not the kind of person that would quickly place a label on you for having an idea - I would just explain the origin of that idea is misguided and often the idea originates from evil principles. Of course it doesn't mean that person is bad or evil at all.

For example - not everyone who believes in the myth of man made global warming is a fascist, but the idea is a neo-con one.

Maybe people are quick to label you becasue they think you are aware of the real agenda when in fact, you obviously are not aware, but maybe believe the propaganda you have been told. (I don't know if you believe in MMGW or not by the way)

I am not criticizing you - quite the opposite - I am saying that you have integrity (which maybe has been exploited by the mainstream) and you are trying to do the right thing, rightly or wrongly...

I know you've got a bum deal on this forum - and I have to admit I was wrong to attack you before so please forgive me if you can - I was wrong about you and I'm sorry.

I understand your apatheticness with people in general - I feel the same too.
Maybe that's why I criticized you (ironically).

But you know what "the big con" is Frith ?

It's the system teaching people to be apathetic, politically inactive, uneducated, self-centred etc etc
Why ? Because then people are not united to create change for the better - it's called dividide and conquer, and you see it on this forum at every touch and turn, and in society in general at every compartmentalized level.

Your comment:

"I don't have much faith in humans and I don't like them, so I must presume that, as in centuries before, they will muck the whole thing up with the same old practices and prejudices"

is interesting because it is ironic that human kind has always been controlled to have this destructive attitude from the highest levels - everything in our brand new society is taught to us for a bigger reason....

I hate it too - but I hope people can take my logic as a reason to beleive what I'm saying about those institutions who attempt to lie, manipulate and co-erce, and maybe a new era of liberty loving people with a real vision can be born free of the deadwood.

I'm probably not being very clear but all I'd say to you is to simply enjoy your culture and reject all labels people seek to place on you - for like me they probably had a pre-conceived idea about you.

Forgive my waffle - I wish I had an hour to explain it all to you, becasue I can see you're seeing the image but are missing a few peices of the jigsaw.... (how patronizing I am ! lol)

But yes, I'm one of the few on this forum who can tell you the reason why everything happens in our wonderful society (yes I'm being very bigheaded right now sorry).

Maybe I'd say stick to your principles and love of culture but challenge your hazy political beliefs becasue there is "truth and untruth".

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God that sounded patronizing !

Sorry Frith ! :-)

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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth:
God that sounded patronizing !

Sorry Frith ! :-)

I know I'm not a troll, so I just have this rather surprising and often upsetting factor of certain people thinking I care enough about humanity to give a hoot what political system or mind bendingly stupid philosophy they are going to foist on us all next. :-)

I am not a political animal. I'm not even a cultural animal. I am really very different from most people and always have been. I am quite typical of a small group from my generation, but these weren't hippies or lefties, they were all born under a certain star, to put it metaphorically, and this tends to happen every couple of decades or centuries and these folk have some other connection. They usually avoid the whole consumerist, fashion maniac trendy collective and have minds of their own from childhood. It's why they often reject organised religion early in life, reject the school system, the cruelty and abuse of coercion through the miltary and much of what passes for "civilization".

When people like me say "civilization" we tend to mean something different from cars and pop up toasters, although of course these are fab and are not evil in any way, we just see them as part of intelligent progress not part of spiritual progress. If you know what I mean. :-)

Humans have some extremely strange ideas about the world. Humans tend to cling to these ideas and make up even more crazy ideology to "prove" their original beliefs and theories. One of these is the concept and reality of "race". This is driving everyone in the west up the wall. No one in any other part of the world understands what we are on about and doesn't care, but in the west, especially since Hitler and the nazis but riding on the nineteenth century musings about the different kinds of human, there has been hysteria in various forms concerning what we can see with our eyes and interpret with our intelligence.

Cultural Marxism, mixed with universalist religion, has created a whole race debunking industry and literal factory of anti-fascist activists. I find it all very odd. What are they doing? And why? What is so terrible about humanity having as many different breeds as cats and dogs and horses? Apparently it is a red hot issue of evil and violence and it seems to be reaching a peak in the west where many Europeans are actively attacking their own kind in order to embrace, hug, smooch and in every way splatter themselves together with anyone who isn't like them phenotypically in order to please the god of multiculturalism and gain for themselves not a place in heaven or the afterlife like most religions, but a place on earth as one of the sacred revolutionaries of great globulism and eternal communal bliss. In short, they are becoming fatigued and ridiculous by their passion to be "good". And they are becoming equally fatigued and ridiculous by their obsession to see everyone who isn't branded with their product name as "evil" and dispensable.

I have been branded as one of the great evils. My crime against humanity is that I am white, and that I do not wish to see my product of the human species absorbed by great globulism. There are also eastern and southern earthling folk of various hues and variety who feel the same way about their brands and, in time, if they don't play ball and bow to the powers you mention, they too will become enemies of great globulism and be sent out of Eden to dwell, with the rest of us evil doers in the land of Nod. Nod practices anti political correctness, and that is why Cain went there, and dwells there still, with his brothers in arms, wanderers among the politically correct comatose acolytes of god.

Yes bankers are w*nkers, but as I have no money they can't get me by the shadow and as I never listen to anyone but prefer to listen to the world itself whatever passes for the Bilderberg group bores the hell out of the likes of me. If they try to take hold of us we kill ourselves to escape them. It has always been thus and I and my kind have ever been wanderers among the slaves and do-gooders of god's little terrarium on earth. When the dome shatters, of course, then the wanderers of Nod become the teachers of Eden, and the prophets and the true seers. Otherwise they all talk in riddles and seem "whimsical", which is fine. One cannot preach to the converted and Nodians (or Noddies as Edenians cynically call us) have no wish to convert anyone. :-)

I hope you now see the value of the metaphor and the analogy. These are the simple, yet complex, tools of the wanderers of Nod. Who have no teachers but the world and who speak the language of the birds.

Oh, yes, and I forgot ... Nodians connect with their ancestors. Nodians never walk alone. They come and go and are not noticed, or they are misinterpreted or even ignored. Nodians have been on earth in their various shapes and colours for as long as earth has supported our species. And even beyond, but that is too complicated for Edenians to grasp. I won't mention that the animals are also Nodians because no one knows this either. They eat them and herd them and play with them and are condescending toward them, but they have no real conception of them. The tragedy of the one dimensional Edenic view. The paradise syndrome. :-)

To say nothing of the trees .... more hapless Nodians in our midst, ever dwindling, ever returning, ever returning less and less, ever wandering with the Nodians, waiting for Eden to be over and the age of heroes to begin.

You'll have to forgive me. I'm a fantasy writer and a pagan, but that never means that I don't have a brain in that little round case of bone that can cripple a battleship. I hope you have one of these too and that some day you will become one of the watchers instead one of the wakers as waking is not a priority in the late period of the Edenic Age. By all accounts, famine will vanquish them, famine, fire, and stupidity ... followed by ice and extreme disappointment.

Superseded by a new age, a few blades of impetuous grass and a daisy or two, evolving in memory to roses and strange palaces of crystal and stone.

Trolls? Real trolls are not the creatures they have been cast as. Real trolls come from my people in Scandinavia and the far north. They keep enchanted shape-shifting cattle and sometimes befriend mortals. They have bad tempers and secret treasure. They have never heard of Karl Marx or Christ or Mohamed. They belong to what is made invisible by necessity. If they wanted to they could eat the entire Bilderberg group and all its assets for breakfast and not put on a single ounce. :-) They are related to but not the same race as the Elves. Myth is stronger than ideology or politics and tells the story of an earth we have never known, of the wanderers who were placed outside Eden in the land of Nod there to remain until doomsday.

Doomsday is near. This is going to be a very unusual Armageddon. Unusual and surprising for some. But then doomsday invariably surprises some. These are the ones who are never going to be able to wake up to anything. They are the crumbs that fall from the table and are carried away by ants. They look big when they are part of the meal, but they tend to vanish as they drop off the table. Moral of the story - beware of crumbs and crumbling.

:-):-):-):-)... :-)

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I empathize with your standpoint.

I understand you don't give two hoots about politics Frith

Nor do I really.

But I only care because my freedoms, justice system, even my food and water.
Quality of life in genreal is threatened by one big eugenics operation because of political decisions - the politicians act on behalf of the shadow government.

You say: "Cultural Marxism, mixed with universalist religion, has created a whole race debunking industry and literal factory of anti-fascist activists. I find it all very odd. What are they doing? And why?"

Simply becasue they don't want to be a victim of a corrupt regime that has the power to control their everyday lives. Yes I'm talking about the international bankers beleive it or not.

If you don't care about your quality of life then fine, just so long as you don't object when your quality of life is compromised - becasue then you may wish you had taken the time to learn who and what is responsible and why.

But if you don't mind then fine, no problem.....
Up to you really.

By the way your comment "I hope you have one of these too and that some day you will become one of the watchers instead one of the wakers"

I thought intially that was a typing error ! :-)

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:-) No, defintely not a typing error. I wouldn't call you that. lol.

I'm sorry you may think I don't care. I do care, I just don't care about people who don't care. I have always been too poor and too trapped in a situation I can't fix to care about stinking rich bankers way over in la-la land and their machinations. The thing I really do hate about them is their continuous war mongering. But, then, people don't stand against this, so if people are willing to allow others to tell them who they must hate and are willing to kill people they don't know and don't understand then whatever happens is their own fault. I am sorry this foolishness has to devolve onto all of us. We do care. But then, open your mouth about this and you will be scoured by vitriol from the smart set who have all the answers and believe that with a bit of universal love all things are possible. They have no idea what love is and they have no idea what they are doing but they are doing it all the same and, yes, the bigshots are bankrolling them (excuse the pun) because they are such good little soldiers in every field of endeavour. If the Voice calls the little soldiers of the world answer. It serves them right, but it doesn't serve the world itself right or some of us for speaking out occasionally and mentioning that their overfed, over privileged kings are naked. :-)

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I fully agree with you Frith.

As a people we have become sluggish, unhuman, unloving and ignorant.

It's not about the "bankers" as such - it's about how our basic life is affected, from flouridized water to GM crops - I not against capitalism or anything, it's far more farfetching than that and affects us all in every possible way.

If anyone in the "smart set" puts you down then are unlikely to be that smart at all if you are standing for love and compassion, so I wouldn't care what they say about you.

I sometimes think (and I'm probably right) that I can't change anything alone - all I can do is to try an expose the enormous lies that are being written in history.

Even the common soldier is waking up today as to who is responisible for the wars, terorrism, financial strife etc and why.

The only chance is if a mass awakening occurs (and it is occuring in America).
We are catching on slowly, but the message needs to be sent viral before it's too late.

Maybe you don't understand the issue or what I'm talking about (not blaming you at all just wish everyone knew the truth because they simply wouldn't believe it).

Anyway I understand your apathy Frith - I feel the same but for different reasons.....

Bored of my rantings yet ? ;o)

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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth:
I fully agree with you Frith.

As a people we have become sluggish, unhuman, unloving and ignorant.

It's not about the "bankers" as such - it's about how our basic life is affected, from flouridized water to GM crops - I not against capitalism or anything, it's far more farfetching than that and affects us all in every possible way.

If anyone in the "smart set" puts you down then are unlikely to be that smart at all if you are standing for love and compassion, so I wouldn't care what they say about you.

I sometimes think (and I'm probably right) that I can't change anything alone - all I can do is to try an expose the enormous lies that are being written in history.

Even the common soldier is waking up today as to who is responisible for the wars, terorrism, financial strife etc and why.

The only chance is if a mass awakening occurs (and it is occuring in America).
We are catching on slowly, but the message needs to be sent viral before it's too late.

Maybe you don't understand the issue or what I'm talking about (not blaming you at all just wish everyone knew the truth because they simply wouldn't believe it).

Anyway I understand your apathy Frith - I feel the same but for different reasons.....

Bored of my rantings yet ? ;o)

This is supposed to be a democracy forum, so you and others should be free to put your case and opinion, if it doesn't include genocide, hate mongering or how to construct a bomb. You wouldn't think so, though, would you? You'd think the average dissenter on here was the great evil itself when all most people want is peace and prosperity and the freedom to choose various things. :-)

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With all due respect Frith, like a lot of people on here I think you think that these people who advocate barbarity, hate mongering etc really believe what they are saying.
I'm sure some of them do, but it's important to realize that there are a lot of "conintelpro" agents on here whose job is to cement the status quo, quash dissention(and everything to do with love & liberty) and spread propaganda to the masses...

I feel it's my job to expose them because I understand their sick tactics (though the trivcky bit is determining who is a troll and who is simply brainwashed)

By the way(on a totally different tangent) are you aware of dangers of GM food ?

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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth:
With all due respect Frith, like a lot of people on here I think you think that these people who advocate barbarity, hate mongering etc really believe what they are saying.
I'm sure some of them do, but it's important to realize that there are a lot of "conintelpro" agents on here whose job is to cement the status quo, quash dissention(and everything to do with love & liberty) and spread propaganda to the masses...

I feel it's my job to expose them because I understand their sick tactics (though the trivcky bit is determining who is a troll and who is simply brainwashed)

By the way(on a totally different tangent) are you aware of dangers of GM food ?

I have no qualifications to give an informed opinion on GM food. Some GM food is going to be the making of poor farmers in countries where fertilizer and pesticide costs are ruining their profits. And they will do likewise for farmers in developed economies, obviously and take the load off the ecology in terms of chemical pollution. But they will have their risks, as does everything. These must be weighed against their good points by specialists and this info must be what is debated. The factual info, not the subjective info.

I'm not a conspiracy believer, so I take the scientific information from the scientific community and use that as a decision maker. The same way I would take the advice of a cancer specialist rather than a herbalist if I developed this disease. In the same way I use my own moral judgement and don't rely on religion to instruct me how to behave.

But that's just me, I'm not saying people should or should not do things. It's their choice. If it's not and their choices are being made for them then they have political problems. But that in turn depends on what the topics for free choice are. I can't just go out and kill someone because I feel like it, or consume someone's little girl or boy because I happen to be a paedophile. Liberty does not extend to the extreme, it has its limits and so do I.

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