Well my post count is below 50 so I am still new. After reading Kalis introduction thread I thought I would post my own.

First off you can all call me Chris :-) I am a humble 26 year old working class chap raised in the london borough of barking and dagenham and matured in the great town of Chelmsford in Essex. I now live and work in Derby.

I joined this board a while ago along side some other politics boards assuming that this was a general politics board, which it is to a degree, I had not expected however to find it would prodominantly revolve around the UKIP, which is fine by the way.

I'll often refer to myself as a communist which is near enough true. However unless we are to be invaded by China communism will be a long way off.

So really I should support labour, but Gordon Brown has devistated an already in tatters labour party, Blair removed 90% of what Labour stood for and by removing the 10p tax rate, increasing green taxes and stealth taxes the current PM has lost my vote I also think his removing the queens head from our coins was a terrible idea and am not a fan of his 42 days detention rate

However I am Pro Europe, I am even pro European currency, I'm in favour of Proportional Representation and believe that prejudice based on someones religion, colour, nationality, sexuality, sex etc is unaceptable

Oh ****... I think that makes me a lib dem
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Originally Posted by GenghisChris:
Well my post count is below 50 so I am still new. After reading Kalis introduction thread I thought I would post my own.

First off you can all call me Chris :-) I am a humble 26 year old working class chap raised in the london borough of barking and dagenham and matured in the great town of Chelmsford in Essex. I now live and work in Derby.

I joined this board a while ago along side some other politics boards assuming that this was a general politics board, which it is to a degree, I had not expected however to find it would prodominantly revolve around the UKIP, which is fine by the way.

I'll often refer to myself as a communist which is near enough true. However unless we are to be invaded by China communism will be a long way off.

So really I should support labour, but Gordon Brown has devistated an already in tatters labour party, Blair removed 90% of what Labour stood for and by removing the 10p tax rate, increasing green taxes and stealth taxes the current PM has lost my vote I also think his removing the queens head from our coins was a terrible idea and am not a fan of his 42 days detention rate

However I am Pro Europe, I am even pro European currency, I'm in favour of Proportional Representation and believe that prejudice based on someones religion, colour, nationality, sexuality, sex etc is unaceptable

Oh ****... I think that makes me a lib dem

Hi. Yeah we all know Labour is losing her direction.
Im pro big government and pro union, but not necessarily pro Europe until I study more about EU.
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Originally Posted by :
Well my post count is below 50 so I am still new. After reading Kalis introduction thread I thought I would post my own.

First off you can all call me Chris I am a humble 26 year old working class chap raised in the london borough of barking and dagenham and matured in the great town of Chelmsford in Essex. I now live and work in Derby.

I joined this board a while ago along side some other politics boards assuming that this was a general politics board, which it is to a degree, I had not expected however to find it would prodominantly revolve around the UKIP, which is fine by the way.

I'll often refer to myself as a communist which is near enough true. However unless we are to be invaded by China communism will be a long way off.

So really I should support labour, but Gordon Brown has devistated an already in tatters labour party, Blair removed 90% of what Labour stood for and by removing the 10p tax rate, increasing green taxes and stealth taxes the current PM has lost my vote I also think his removing the queens head from our coins was a terrible idea and am not a fan of his 42 days detention rate

However I am Pro Europe, I am even pro European currency, I'm in favour of Proportional Representation and believe that prejudice based on someones religion, colour, nationality, sexuality, sex etc is unaceptable

Oh ****... I think that makes me a lib dem

Have considered anarcho-communism or libertarian communism? It is far better than the Leninist ****. I'm not one but I'd prefer people to be one rather than the usual Marxist communism.

My problem with the EU is it is anti-democratic. And by that I don't just mean its current institutions I mean it must be. It must be because it will have over 500 million people and the voice of one person within this vast superstate will be meaningless, the individual will have little power, oversight or any real say. Power will be centralised and it will be unaccountable which will inevitably lead to abuse.

We should be looking to decentralise gov't. I personally find the UK and even England, Scotland and Wales too centralised. The most power should stay at the lowest level and only very conservatively and cautiously be given to higher levels.

Economically I want decentralism too, and I don't simply mean free market capitalist, which actually makes me in many ways left of centre economically, so you should not consider me necessarily a rightis and dismiss me.

By the way this board was UKIP it now has many different kinds of people, although most are eurosceptics. There has been a worrying, at least to some, increase in the amount of the BNP and far-right lately.
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Originally Posted by Olympic Flame:
Hi. Yeah we all know Labour is losing her direction.
Im pro big government and pro union, but not necessarily pro Europe until I study more about EU.

Why would you be pro-big gov't? That means making the individuals voice less, his power and control less and storing more unaccountable power in a centralised position which is likely to be abused.

Centralisation and tyranny tend to go together.
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Originally Posted by GenghisChris:
Well my post count is below 50 so I am still new. After reading Kalis introduction thread I thought I would post my own.

First off you can all call me Chris :-) I am a humble 26 year old working class chap raised in the london borough of barking and dagenham and matured in the great town of Chelmsford in Essex. I now live and work in Derby.

I joined this board a while ago along side some other politics boards assuming that this was a general politics board, which it is to a degree, I had not expected however to find it would prodominantly revolve around the UKIP, which is fine by the way.

I'll often refer to myself as a communist which is near enough true. However unless we are to be invaded by China communism will be a long way off.

So really I should support labour, but Gordon Brown has devistated an already in tatters labour party, Blair removed 90% of what Labour stood for and by removing the 10p tax rate, increasing green taxes and stealth taxes the current PM has lost my vote I also think his removing the queens head from our coins was a terrible idea and am not a fan of his 42 days detention rate

However I am Pro Europe, I am even pro European currency, I'm in favour of Proportional Representation and believe that prejudice based on someones religion, colour, nationality, sexuality, sex etc is unaceptable

Oh ****... I think that makes me a lib dem

Hi Chris :-)
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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
Have considered anarcho-communism or libertarian communism? It is far better than the Leninist ****. I'm not one but I'd prefer people to be one rather than the usual Marxist communism

Quite funny you should ask, this is how my political compass test results came back. I am a big believer in preserving and enhancing peoples individual liberties.

http://i25.tinypic.com/fkpldw.png

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
My problem with the EU is it is anti-democratic. And by that I don't just mean its current institutions I mean it must be. It must be because it will have over 500 million people and the voice of one person within this vast superstate will be meaningless, the individual will have little power, oversight or any real say. Power will be centralised and it will be unaccountable which will inevitably lead to abuse.

Our perceptions of the EU differ quite a bit, I don't see us becoming a 'super state' nor do I believe that to be the intention of the EU. Each individual country still has its own governments who pass their own laws. Before we joined Europe we had NO rights in the UK, we aren't even citizens of our own country, we're mere subjects of the crown and as such had no real rights. At least now we are citizens and as such have the European human rights bill protecting us.

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
We should be looking to decentralise gov't. I personally find the UK and even England, Scotland and Wales too centralised. The most power should stay at the lowest level and only very conservatively and cautiously be given to higher levels.

Unimaginable, we need consistency! What your suggesting could have dreadful consequenses! Imagine being an indian living in a councils area run by the BNP if they had extra powers. they would force them out. or imagine a mainly pakitani area of london being run by a pakistani council, schools having enforced pakistani classes, school uniforms where you have to wear a burka etc could be a real possibility. the segregation that would cause would be dreadful

[quote=BonnieDundee;518627]Economically I want decentralism too, and I don't simply mean free market capitalist, which actually makes me in many ways left of centre economically, so you should not consider me necessarily a rightis and dismiss me.[quote]

I hate money if I'm honest, I've stated before that if I had my way we'd abolish it. I really think we ned tighter controls if anything. look at the mess the banks are in now. This is their fault, restrictions on lending imposed by the government would have prevented this chaos. I also believe buy to let should be illegal as should lending above certain rates.

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
By the way this board was UKIP it now has many different kinds of people, although most are eurosceptics. There has been a worrying, at least to some, increase in the amount of the BNP and far-right lately.

Interesting, It's a kinda fun board. I'm really not here to troll as one prominent troll has asserted even though my views are diferent from the majority. I think it's good that the board is more general now. even though I have a feeling this may cause some individuals to be more restrained in their replies than they may otherwise be.
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Originally Posted by :
Quite funny you should ask, this is how my political compass test results came back. I am a big believer in preserving and enhancing peoples individual liberties.

http://i25.tinypic.com/fkpldw.png

Are you familiar with authors like Kropotkin, Proudhon, Luxembourg, Bookchin, Chomsky etc etc?

An Anarchist FAQ Webpage
libcom.org

Originally Posted by :
Our perceptions of the EU differ quite a bit, I don't see us becoming a 'super state' nor do I believe that to be the intention of the EU. Each individual country still has its own governments who pass their own laws. Before we joined Europe we had NO rights in the UK, we aren't even citizens of our own country, we're mere subjects of the crown and as such had no real rights. At least now we are citizens and as such have the European human rights bill protecting us.

Then what do you want the EU to be? I don't mind if it is just a free trade treaty, I don't want much else though. I do think we on the way to a EU state though.

Citizens and subjects are just words and I think the EU courts and human rights bills are a bad idea. It encourages people to try and use the EU instead of campaigning locally and domestically.

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Unimaginable, we need consistency!

Not really, diversity brings life and freedom, unity tends to crush it and to leave only the centralised state and the atomised individual.

Originally Posted by :
What your suggesting could have dreadful consequenses! Imagine being an indian living in a councils area run by the BNP if they had extra powers. they would force them out. or imagine a mainly pakitani area of london being run by a pakistani council, schools having enforced pakistani classes, school uniforms where you have to wear a burka etc could be a real possibility. the segregation that would cause would be dreadful

Well I'm against mass immigration anyway, even if the boat has sailed somewhat, it destablises communities, traditions and identities and helps to atomise people so the centralised state can move in and take more power. But the obvious answer to that is you could move and the other answer is that with any political solution one can think of possible bad situations, the point is is it worth risking them for the pay off. I think it certainly is.

Originally Posted by :
I hate money if I'm honest, I've stated before that if I had my way we'd abolish it. I really think we ned tighter controls if anything. look at the mess the banks are in now. This is their fault, restrictions on lending imposed by the government would have prevented this chaos. I also believe buy to let should be illegal as should lending above certain rates.

Actually it is usually gov't, often on the side of the rich and big business, that causes alot of the chaos itself. What me need it decentralised economics, five acres and cow for all as Thomas Paine put it(I don't mean this literally but you get the idea.).

Originally Posted by :
Interesting, It's a kinda fun board. I'm really not here to troll as one prominent troll has asserted even though my views are diferent from the majority. I think it's good that the board is more general now. even though I have a feeling this may cause some individuals to be more restrained in their replies than they may otherwise be.

The board isn't really general as much as just generally eurosceptic. If you don't constantly praise the EU then you'll find at least a few allies in most things you choose to debate.
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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
Why would you be pro-big gov't? That means making the individuals voice less, his power and control less and storing more unaccountable power in a centralised position which is likely to be abused.

Centralisation and tyranny tend to go together.

True but it is more efficient in certain aspects.
To be more specific, I dont mind having an ID card or making lives abit inconvenient for heavy smokers.
There are alot highly successful people and disciplined individuals while there are alot more people who need some guidance and perhaps abit of push.
For me it is more of a matter of experience rather than abstract reasoning that makes me more inclined to favour a big government.
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Originally Posted by :
True but it is more efficient in certain aspects.
To be more specific, I dont mind having an ID card or making lives abit inconvenient for heavy smokers.
There are alot highly successful people and disciplined individuals while there are alot more people who need some guidance and perhaps abit of push.
For me it is more of a matter of experience rather than abstract reasoning that makes me more inclined to favour a big government.

As some who doesn't like being pushed around, who gets chills at the thought of needing big gov't guidance and who despises the idea of smoking bans, experience has led me in the other direction.
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